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Quintuple
05-25-2012, 10:29 AM
My favorite P&P sequel is still Pemberley Shades

THE SHADES OF PEMBERLEY ARE THUS POLLUTED!

I'm so glad there are so many others here who've watched the BBC version over and over.

I'm one of those people who get ultra-frustrated at moronic characters in fiction, even though it's fiction. I could not stand the BBC Mrs. Bennett, or Mr. Collins, but I understand that they're just ridiculous.

But I must say, to this day, I randomly spit out scenes from this version. Mary singing her song at the party. Lizzie singing that Henry Purcell song. "A friend in need is a friend in deed!" "Ooh, the soldiers!"

I only saw the 2005 movie in the theaters and did not like it.

The other monstrous BBC mini-series that's ultra frustrating but addictive is Bleak House. I'm starting Little Dorritt from the library this week. I absolutely loved the recent BBC version of Emma.

Holley Calmes
05-25-2012, 02:15 PM
Add me to the list of those who can't get enough of the 1995 BBC version! It was as close to perfection for me as I could get. I study the Regency (on a hobbiest level) because of my lifelong interest in some characters of history...and this version seemed to me to be the closest in feel, and let's face it-Firth IS DARCY. That pitiful boy in the 2005 version wasn't man enough. Sorry. I did like Rintoul though. And Kera Knightly was just dreadful IMHO. She's just too contemporary, and she's always Kera Knightly. I'm Kera! Watch me emote!

If you want a feel for the Regency period, here is a delightful, witty, naughty and very intelligent site. Might skew often a bit early for P&P, but it covers items into the early 19th century as well. I particularly love the "Tart of the Week" section! :lol:

http://georgianaduchessofdevonshire.blogspot.com/

I also loved Thompson's S&S and watch it often. I love the score. I love kate Winslet in it-I thought she got it right. And I don't blame her for loving Willoughby. Some Austen scholar friends of mine in Australia have suggested that Willoughby was inspired by one of my favorite historical figures, Banastre Tarleton. During the period from about 1785-1800, Tarleton had a long affair with actress and early feminist writer Mary Robinson, who was about the essence of "Sensibility." He dumped her for a rich 23 year old whome he married and lived happily ever after with, the dog. Not a perfect fit, but the story was very much a part of the times and highly publicized. You might also remember Tarleton from the dreadfully historically incorrect "The Patriot" (the bad dude Tavington-great job but nothing like the real person) and Cirian Hinds in the recent movie about Wilberforce (Can't remember the name-didn't see it.) But from what I've read, it was also another totally incorrect portrayal of a delightful Regency rake. I love Hinds though! Loved him as Julius Caesar!

AYS
05-25-2012, 02:39 PM
BBC's Tom Jones from the late 90s is a personal favorite. It was serialized on A&E when my family was on vacation in Florida and we watched it every night.
I loved this! I only ever saw it the once, I should look for it.

ioana
05-25-2012, 02:48 PM
I never really liked the Paltrow Emma. Though the BBC Emma's Harriet is a total ripoff of the 1996 actress.

I never watched her much with Northam and Ewan McGregor on the screen. I suppose having a main character that's easy to tune out is not exacty the mark of a stellar performance, but at least she didn't annoy me as much as usual :P.

And, Toni Collette is brilliant in pretty much anything she does, including Harriet, so they can go ahead and plagiarize her interpretation. I thought it worked well with their new adaptation.

IceAlisa
05-25-2012, 04:53 PM
Here's some (unwelcome to me) news about Keira Knightly--she will be playing Anna Karenina. I just don't see her having

(a) the depth of acting talent to do the role justice
(b) looking and acting appropriate not only for a different period but also a very different country.

She is just not well-suited for period films, yet she insists on making them.

PDilemma
05-25-2012, 04:57 PM
Here's some (unwelcome to me) news about Keira Knightly--she will be playing Anna Karenina. I just don't see her having

(a) the depth of acting talent to do the role justice
(b) looking and acting appropriate not only for a different period but also a very different country.

She is just not well-suited for period films, yet she insists on making them.

:scream:

As someone basically put it upthread...See Keira Emote.

So many good actresses. Why would they cast her?

IceAlisa
05-25-2012, 04:59 PM
:scream:

As someone basically put it upthread...See Keira Emote.

So many good actresses. Why would they cast her?

I know. Ridiculous. May be Baz Luhrmann is directing it once he is done mauling The Great Gatsby.

Artemis@BC
05-25-2012, 05:11 PM
Here's some (unwelcome to me) news about Keira Knightly--she will be playing Anna Karenina. I just don't see her having

(a) the depth of acting talent to do the role justice
(b) looking and acting appropriate not only for a different period but also a very different country.

She is just not well-suited for period films, yet she insists on making them.

Oh dear, that is bad news. And a big fat :confused: Though of course the reason why they cast her is obvious -- they think she's a draw. Probably won't draw me though!

To be fair, when the part is in her wheelhouse, Keira can do a decent job. I quite liked her in Bend it Like Beckham, Love Actually, and even Never Let Me Go. But I just saw A Dangerous Method, and she was truly awful -- really ruined an otherwise good film.


BBC's Tom Jones from the late 90s is a personal favorite.

Ooh, yes, a much happier topic! I loved that production too. It really captured the rustic, bucolic, bawdy feel of the book perfectly.

znachki
05-25-2012, 06:33 PM
OT but has anyone read any books based on Jane Austen's novels?

I did read "Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife" by Linda Berdoll
http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Darcy-Takes-Wife-Prejudice/dp/1402202733/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1337966740&sr=1-1 It was originally a sef-published book and is the "racy" continuation of what happens after the wedding. Meh.

One that I actually thought was interesing was Darcy's Story by Janet Aylmer.
http://www.amazon.com/Darcys-Story-Janet-Aylmer/dp/0061148709/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1337966878&sr=1-1
She basically gives you Darcy's half of the equation, with more backstory regarding Georgiana and Wickham and such.

jlai
05-25-2012, 06:46 PM
I thought Darcy's story was bleh. Some nice moments though.

ETA: Death comes to Pemberley started off all right. A bit wild towards the end

Artemis@BC
05-25-2012, 07:11 PM
Don't bother with Death Comes to Pemberley by P.D. James. Although I did like a few of the life-at-Pemberley bits, it fails as a mystery (surprising, given the author), and the whole last act is exposition-overload and WTF-where-did-that-come-from moments.

miffy
05-25-2012, 07:28 PM
Regarding the Sense & Sensibility film & Elinor's age, I am not sure if it is true but Wikipedia says this:


Thompson's hope was that Doran would cast Natasha and Joely Richardson, the daughters of Vanessa Redgrave, as Elinor and Marianne Dashwood. However, Lee wanted Thompson herself to play Elinor, to which the actress replied that at age 35, she was too old for the 19-year-old character. Lee then suggested Elinor's age be changed to 27, which would also have had the effect of making the reality of spinsterhood easier for modern audiences to understand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_and_Sensibility_(film)

I lurve that movie despite the age thing, I think Thompson does a fabulous job, better than Kate Winslet. There is one scene though, where they have a picnic and I always thought Elinor had a better chemistry with Willoughby than Marianne, and then they did end up getting married IRL. :lol:

I saw some of the BBC version, & thought it was ok...love the girl who played Margaret (who was also Posy Fossil in the BBC's Ballet Shoes) and thought she was the best thing about it - but I also love the girl who played Margaret in the film too, so overall I prefer the film.

LOVE Hugh Lawrie's grumpy character, like an English old fashioned House. :D

Erin
05-25-2012, 07:33 PM
Okay, to stir the pot: Who else was REALLY annoyed by the 1999 film adaptation of Mansfield Park? They made Fanny into this confident person who was secretly a writer. And who DID get engaged to the cad/scumbag and even KISSED him! Instead of the shy, self-effacing character with enough intelligence to see that Henry Crawford is a louse--y'know, how the character was actually written by Austen. I got the idea that the movie writer didn't like Mansfield Park or the character of Fanny and just wrote the film she wanted to write instead of actually adapting the book.

You're more likely to stir the pot by suggesting you liked the 1999 Mansfield Park ;) I don't know off too many serious Austen fans who enjoy this version, although there is a minority who do. I seem to have some kind of either amnesia or masochism when it comes to this movie, as I watch it anytime it's on TV, each time expecting to like it better and I never do. I really should learn my lesson and quit wasting my time! But I'm one of the few who really likes book-Fanny and admires her steadfast morality, so there is no way that I would be happy with a character as vastly different as movie-Fanny. I'm still waiting for a good adaptation of Mansfield Park, as the recent one with Billie Piper is also terrible.

Back on the original topic, I don't know how much I'll add to the discussion that hasn't been already said, but I prefer the 1995 version overall - more faithful to the book, Colin Firth is my definitive Mr. Darcy, slightly preferred Ehle's portrayal of Elizabeth, and on the minor characters, this version had a wittier Mr. Bennet, a Caroline Bingley with a permanent bitchface, a smarter Mr. Bingley, and a meeker Georgiana Darcy. I didn't find Ehle smug at all, just confident and a little bit mischievous in a playful way. I can see why people find Mrs. Bennet and Mr. Collins a bit cartoonish, but that didn't really bother me, as they're written as cartoonish in the book. Oh, and I liked this Charlotte Lucas better - more practical and sensible, whereas the 2005 Charlotte came across as a bit pathetic. Wickham is much more charming than Rupert Friend's portrayal (although the actor who plays Wickham is much less physically attractive than Friend).

I did like the 2005 version, particularly the scenery and soundtrack, and feel like it captured the mood and feel of the book reasonably well given its 2 hour running time. I thought Keira Knightly did a surprisingly good job, although didn't live up to Ehle's performance earlier. Jane Bennet was the one major improvement in casting from the 2005 version, as it was hard to see why 1995 Jane was the "great beauty" of the neighbourhood. I don't have major complaints about most of the cast, but I wouldn't consider them standout performances. The two that I had the biggest issues with were McFadyen's Darcy and Georgiana Darcy, who was way too confident.

On some of the other adaptations that have been mentioned here, I love the Ang Lee/Emma Thompson Sense & Sensibility, even though it is probably one of the least faithful adaptations of Austen's books. Thompson mentions in the commentary that by the time she was through with the screenplay, she realized how few of Austen's lines she had left and treasured/protected what was left. But it gets the overall feel right in spite of that...it probably helps that I think it's the only Austen adaptation I saw before reading the book, so I didn't have any preconceived notions of what it should be. The 2007 version is also terrific, though, much more faithful to the book, and it's kind of nice to be able to watch them both. The 2007 version when I want the book brought to life and the Emma Thompson one when I just want to watch a good story with good acting.

Lurve the Amanda Root Persuasion, tough call as to whether that or 1995 P&P is my all time favourite Austen adaptation. The newer Persuasion is a big disappointment in comparison, although is probably OK on its own merits. And agree with the generally consensus that the Kate Beckinsale Emma is the best one of that novel, although I hadn't seen all of the Romola Garai version yet. And it's been a while since I saw the Carey Mulligan Northanger Abbey, but I remember liking it well enough, even though it was being trashed by a lot of the rabid Austenites.

beepbeep
05-25-2012, 08:41 PM
My favourite quote from 1995 P&P.

"Her teeth are tolerable, I suppose."

Is there a Caroline Bingley day? There should be one.

IceAlisa
05-25-2012, 08:50 PM
We have a poster with a user name "Caroline Bingley". :)