View Full Version : Czisny to undergo surgery for torn labrum in left hip

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05-30-2012, 01:31 PM
Too confusing for you? Should I use smaller words?:hat1:

The rest just seem like a bunch of mean girls ready to diss anyone or prop their faves.

If other other people are comoing across as mean girls, you are coming across as....?

05-30-2012, 02:33 PM
I think carriemarie is probably the Mean Girl who predicts the weather with her breasts. :D

05-30-2012, 02:43 PM
I think she's trying to say that in 2014, two golds will be given out for the ladies just like in Salt Lake for the pairs. Let's see if this prediction comes true :cool:


05-30-2012, 03:01 PM
It seems like the early 90s didn't have as many injuries as today. Midori Ito, Yamaguchi and Harding did the most difficult jumps, but I don't recall them having major surgeries. Have they? Is it because of figures? I know Janet Lynn has insinuated that figures prevented injury. Figures must strengthen the muscles.

05-30-2012, 03:14 PM
Figures must strengthen the muscles.

Not any more than anything else you practice in skating. How they prevented injuries is that they took up time that then couldn't be used to practice jumps.

In some sports, they have rules about how many of X can be done in a day and it's all based on studying how young bodies grow and develop. In figure skating, there is a strong believe that girls have to get all their triples before they go through puberty and that belief is at war with any attempts to get people to limit how many jumps they do per day/week/month and what ages they start working on what elements.

05-30-2012, 03:26 PM
At younger ages/lower levels, I have also seen coaches tell students (not in lesson) to stop practicing jumps and work on something else, but the kids just want to practice what's fun for them, and oftentimes that is jumps.

Once I was on a relatively empty session with a 7- or 8-year-old who had just mastered the axel. She spent the entire session doing axels, at least 50 of them, some more successful than others . . . and not a heck of a lot of anything else.

Of course it is a somewhat different dynamic with teenagers who are competitive and realistically aiming for the top.

05-30-2012, 04:10 PM
Bringing it back to Czisny -- has the surgery taken place yet?

05-30-2012, 04:37 PM
A review of performances of competitive programs by Alyssa, 2011-2012 season, in order thru the season:

(With Sylvia's help) ;-)
Japan Open in early October 2011
LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baXsIoWx9EM

SGP: Skate America, Oct 2011
SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQbqMT9pbqA
LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO274EF7Cdw

SGP: TEB, Nov 2011
SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsec5A9-vpA
LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUSkev9T0vA

Senior Grand Prix Final: Dec 2011
SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFHLkBADBrs
LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2513bzvB-s

Detroit Skating Club event 1.14.2012 (LP)

US Nationals: Jan 2012
SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx_fj_6QgA0
LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pESb2qs3-Q

Challenge Cup 3.8-11-2012
SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ztv7fIiDY
LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF_hOWljg9A

2012 World Championships: March 2012
SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_nsUfN6DNQ
LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yjaR3agBuE

05-30-2012, 04:39 PM
^^^ You forgot Alissa's FS debut at the Japan Open in early October 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baXsIoWx9EM

Too bad there's no video of Czisny's 3Lz+3T combos reportedly landed in practices during 4 Continents. ;)

Bringing it back to Czisny -- has the surgery taken place yet?
I haven't heard anything yet - perhaps an update will be posted on her Facebook fan page?

05-30-2012, 05:01 PM
When done right, like at Skate America, the short program was just magical, and did not seem empty at all (except a little bit before the 2axel). She was moving to the music and I was surprised how quickly it flew by.

Watching the long program from Skate America and TEB back to back makes it clear - whether she lands her jump or not, that program is horrible. Empty and boring.

05-30-2012, 05:24 PM
Since a tear causes limited motion of the hip joint, why weren't some of her spins affected as much as her jumps?

05-30-2012, 05:54 PM
Since a tear causes limited motion of the hip joint, why weren't some of her spins affected as much as her jumps?

It was reported she was not doing her usual spins in shows after Worlds.

I would hazard to guess that her spins at Worlds were not affected because she has such better control of them, as compare to her jumps,that she was able to compensate for any difficulty an injury might have presented. She said she wasn't in pain at that time.

05-30-2012, 06:27 PM
Not any more than anything else you practice in skating. How they prevented injuries is that they took up time that then couldn't be used to practice jumps.

In one sense figures, at the elite level, did help to prevent injuries. By putting in the hours and hours and hours it took to be able to perform high-level figures with the incredible precision required, it gave skaters the ability to make minute, tiny adjustments and therefore they didn't need to do as many reps of the jumps. They could make corrections much more quickly rather than having to do so much via trial and error.

Susan M
05-30-2012, 07:13 PM
She doesn't admit to being in pain until after Worlds, but I can't help wondering if she WAS feeling pain but was in denial about it---or couldn't admit to it without facing USFS reprimand and fine a la Flatt in 2011.
Yeah, I am also enough of a skeptic not to buy her conveniently exculpatory story either. She may not have been feeling a debilitating pain, but she had to know something felt off (especially if it was visibly affecting her landings as you described). Even more so, her coaches should have noticed the change in her technique and looked into it.

It's kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't for the coaches. If they didn't notice a change in their skater that was obvious to other observers, then they are inept coaches. If they did notice and opted to ignore it until after Worlds for fear of what they'd find, then they are irresponsible coaches. Which would you rather admit to?

Susan M
05-30-2012, 07:19 PM
"Everyone" is an awfully large group.

No it isn't. When you are talking about folks put on the World team, mathematically, it could never be more than 12 skaters/teams (usually more like 10). If you exclude the champions, that leaves at most 8. If any of them seems unable to hit their routines, for whatever reason, then look a the first alternate and make a decision which to send.

Personally, I don't think there is any other event (apart from the Olympics) that deserves this added care in team selection.