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pinky166
05-22-2012, 02:24 AM
That's because he skates at every competition possible, unless he is injured, and it helps his WR.

Skating for a nation like Sweden allows him to do that. In a nation like the US, competition for senior Bs even is pretty competitive.

YukiNieve
05-22-2012, 02:27 AM
Have a few questions on host pick.

- You can only pick one skater as host pick for 3 spots you have for your competition you host?

- Do you have to choose the skater who has higher SB and/or WS even as a host pick if you have several candidates?

Thanks!

euterpe
05-22-2012, 02:29 AM
The men's 60 GP slots break down by country & number of men per country as follows:
12 countries, 33 different men + 6 TBA slots

JPN 13 slots / 6 different men + 1 TBA
USA 12 / 6 + 1 TBA
CAN 7 / 4 + 1 TBA
RUS 7 / 5 + 1 TBA
FRA 5 / 2 + 1 TBA
CHN 4 / 3 + 1 TBA
CZE 4 / 2
ESP 2 / 1
ITA 2 / 1
KAZ 2 / 1
BEL 1
SWE 1

Additional notes:
JPN
8 men: six with two events each (Hanyu, Kozuka, Machida, Mura, Oda, Takahashi); one host pick (Murakami); and a TBA host pick

USA[B]
7 men: five with two events each (Abbott, Miner, Rippon, Dornbush, Weir); one host pick (Razzano); and a TBA host pick

[B]RUS
5 or 6 Men: one with two events (Gachinski); three with one invitation each (Menshov, Dmitriev, Voronov); one host pick (Bush); and a TBA host pick (could be Menshov, Dmitriev, Voronov or someone else)

CAN
4 or 5 men: two with two events each (Chan, Reynolds); one with one invitation (Rogozine); one host pick (Firus); and a TBA host pick (could be Rogozine or someone else)

FRA
3 men: two with two events each (Amodio, Joubert); and a TBA host pick

CHN[B]
3 men: one with two events (Song); one host pick (Guan); and a TBA host pick

[B]CZE
2 men with two events each (Brezina, Verner)

ITA, KAZ, ESP
one man with two events each (Contesti, Ten, Fernandez)

BEL, SWE
one man with one event (Hendrickx, Majorov)

B.Cooper
05-22-2012, 02:59 AM
Oh dear, this could be serious. I was concerned at Nationals when Josh's PCS were significantly lower than on the JGP while most everyone else was getting huge national inflation in regards to PCS, but I chalked it up to him not skating well at Nationals, but now...:slinkaway

The boy was 2nd at JW, 0.47 of a point from WINNING the entire competition! Dmitriev was 14th at the same event and he has a GP that isn't even a host pick, and he didn't make the JGPF either where Josh was a strong 3rd, just a handful of points off the lead. His SB is less than a point below those of Rippon and Miner who each have 2 GPs, and is over 15 points higher than Ricky Dornbush's SB and Ricky also has 2 GPs!
The boy clearly deserves at least 1 GP if not 2!

If USFS actually shafted him and didn't submit his name for selection when he asked to be considered, I would look into switching representation, honestly. He is just as good as Rippon and Miner already, his SB shows that, and further, he doesn't have 3a problems like Rippon does and is farther along on his quad than Miner is (and honestly, than Rippon is too). And then beyond those two and Abbott, his SB crushed those of any other US senior men this season, and that was at a junior event!

Any smart federation would be grooming him for the Olympic team in 2014, Abbott is not getting any younger, Rippon has major technique issues, Weir was a headcase in his prime, Miner is solid and consistency but his artistry needs a lot of work and he has no quad yet, and all the other US men apart from Dornbush, who is probably the best all-around skater after Abbott at this point but seems to be headed down the headcase path as of late, get abysmally low marks internationally.

The international judges like Josh, they give him freaking 7s for PCS at junior events! He has well-developed artistry, solid technique, a strong and reliable 3a, has been training a 4t for over a year now and has attempted it in competition before, great spins that consistently get level 4s and +2s for GOE, and he's 17! Seriously, USFS, you are delusional if you think Rippon, Miner, and Abbott are better hopes for the future than this kid.

I hope Josh kicks butt on the JGP and then again at Nationals and gets marked fairly to show how stupid USFS is for screwing him over like this.

Wouldn't this be reflective of Josh's coaching team....Damon Allen and Christy Krall being the ones who deliver the message to USFS as to if Josh wanted to stay on the JGP or move up to SGP??

Vagabond
05-22-2012, 03:15 AM
Have a few questions on host pick.

- You can only pick one skater as host pick for 3 spots you have for your competition you host?

- Do you have to choose the skater who has higher SB and/or WS even as a host pick if you have several candidates?

Thanks!

No (They have three host picks in each discipline.), and no.

In fact, they can choose just about whomever they want, as exemplified by the French Federation chose Léna Marrocco, who was 69th on the Season's Best list.

SamuraiK
05-22-2012, 03:18 AM
The ISU communication even states that Jr. Worlds and JGPF medallista are guaranteed a spot. Joshua Farris fits in both.. If this was a mistake from ISU I hope there's a way for him to appeal as son as possible.

YukiNieve
05-22-2012, 03:18 AM
Thanks, Vagabond!

That is what I thought but I have been hearing different things,
so wanted to make sure.

HisWeirness
05-22-2012, 04:00 AM
The ISU communication even states that Jr. Worlds and JGPF medallista are guaranteed a spot. Joshua Farris fits in both.. If this was a mistake from ISU I hope there's a way for him to appeal as son as possible.
Which communication??? The rules for GP selection are generally outlined in each season's GP announcement document, not an ISU Communication or in the ISU General or Figure Skating Rules.

Last season's GP announcement (which was also IIRC released AFTER the GP assignments were announced :wall:) removed the language that guaranteed JGPF and JW medalists one GP spot.

From 2011-12 GP announcement (http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=2726):

Medallists from the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2011 and the medallists from the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2010/11 will be included in the selection process. Skaters/couples who have stated their intention to skate as Senior in 2011/12 might be included in the Grand Prix event(s) if they fulfil the requirements of the minimum score.

From 2010-11 GP announcement:

Medallists from the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2010 and the medallists from the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2009/10 will be included in the selection process. Skaters/couples who have stated their intention to skate as Senior in 2010/11 will be guaranteed one (1) event.

SamuraiK
05-22-2012, 04:11 AM
Which communication??? The rules for GP selection are generally outlined in each season's GP announcement document, not an ISU Communication or in the ISU General or Figure Skating Rules.

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Here:
http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1066

How do we call this then? Press release???, whatever term you like to use, the fact is that they are publicly akwnoledging the that Jr. World medallists are assured of 1 spot.

Maybe they just copied and pasted from an old announcement LOL

Vagabond
05-22-2012, 04:11 AM
This year's announcement says the same thing:


Medalists from the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships and the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final are guaranteed one spot. In order for a skater/couple to be eligible to compete at a Grand Prix event, a minimum score must have been achieved.

http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1066

ETA: IIRC, in the past, skaters who earned medals at both competitions received two berths, since each medal guaranteed them one berth.

HisWeirness
05-22-2012, 04:30 AM
ETA: IIRC, in the past, skaters who earned medals at both competitions received two berths, since each medal guaranteed them one berth.
Right.

I found a similar Grand Prix press release from last season here:
http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/content/news/0,10869,4844-131973-133281-18886-313979-news-item,00.html

The 2011-12 press release did not contain the JGPF/JW medalist guarantee that the 2012-13 press release states. I guess we'll have to wait for the ISU to issue the 2012-13 GP announcement (PDF document) to know what is going on... :confused: :)

:wall: ISU :wall:

pinky166
05-22-2012, 04:32 AM
Even if the rule about JGPF and JW medalists being guaranteed 1 event was removed, Josh is still number 20 on the most recently updated SB list which alone guarantees (or should have) him 1 event. Not getting 2 events I could understand, there were no promises about that, but either this is some kind of tactical error or USFS forgot to submit his name for selection or persuaded his coaches into having him stay on the JGP another season without him knowing. If he really wants to compete on the senior GP, he should make an appeal to the ISU outlining what I said above. There's even a chance he could get 2 assignments if USFS were to give him SA, and honestly, he's probably the skater most deserving of that spot if he tries to get this sorted out and turns down the JGP.

misskarne
05-22-2012, 04:42 AM
Even if the rule about JGPF and JW medalists being guaranteed 1 event was removed, Josh is still number 20 on the most recently updated SB list which alone guarantees (or should have) him 1 event. Not getting 2 events I could understand, there were no promises about that, but either this is some kind of tactical error or USFS forgot to submit his name for selection or persuaded his coaches into having him stay on the JGP another season without him knowing. If he really wants to compete on the senior GP, he should make an appeal to the ISU outlining what I said above. There's even a chance he could get 2 assignments if USFS were to give him SA, and honestly, he's probably the skater most deserving of that spot if he tries to get this sorted out and turns down the JGP.

Except I can't understand it when Dornbush got 2.

pinky166
05-22-2012, 04:49 AM
Except I can't understand it when Dornbush got 2.

Dornbush got 2 because the 3 top juniors of the season who were all supposed to get at least 1 event if not 2 aren't getting any events at all, whether it be voluntary or unvoluntary. Ricky was good last season at least and that's why his WR is as high as it is.

seabm7
05-22-2012, 05:21 AM
I think the US federation blocked the request from Joshua. Their reason might be 2 JG assignments is better than 1 SG assignment. Moreover, if the proposed rule change is passed, once you enter into the SG circuit, you cannot go back to JW anymore.