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danafan
05-21-2012, 10:51 PM
Josh wanted (https://twitter.com/#!/joshdfarris/status/204684561077121024) to move up to seniors this year, I really can't understand why he didn't at least get a host pick.

If being top 24 in the season best standings is supposed to guarantee a senior grand prix, can we only assume USFSA didn't put his name forward?

Jammers
05-21-2012, 10:55 PM
Josh wanted (https://twitter.com/#!/joshdfarris/status/204684561077121024) to move up to seniors this year, I really can't understand why he didn't at least get a host pick.

Yeah i'd rather that the young guns like Jason and Josh got at least one GP assignment then Johnny getting two. Those two kids are the future of US Mens not a soon to be 28 year old who's best days are behind him. Not a smart move USFS you better start looking to the future not the past.

RD
05-21-2012, 10:56 PM
I can even understand Flatt getting SA but not Gao, sorry.

Sasha'sSpins
05-21-2012, 11:03 PM
:confused: She won silver at Cup of China and won gold at the Nebelhorn Trophy.

Yes she had another less than stellar GP event, and then was disappointing at Nationals, but I would certainly have expected her to get at least one GP.

Nebelhorn is considered just a B event (I believe). Basically it's a warm up for the GPs. Sure she won gold, but she still made mistakes. She was looking a bit shaky even there. Her poor performance at Nationals that kept Mirai off of the Worlds team ONCE AGAIN (and this time with no question, no controversy) and on the GP (apart from her too-late run silver at COC) is what I was referring too. If the USFS still had any faith in her I believe she would have been given a second assignment. I love Mirai but I'm not wearing rose-colored glasses. Even an under-par Flatt beat her at Nationals. The U.S. officials I believe are sending Mirai a message-get it together or else.

I hope Mirai skates lights out at COC. I'm deeply concerned about her current training situation (apparently hopscotching rinks, 'training' by herself, etc.) I hope it's resolved by now or will be by the summer. She's my favorite U.S. ladie's skater. I want her to go out on a high note. She's out of the GPF as it is.

Vagabond
05-21-2012, 11:06 PM
I can even understand Flatt getting SA but not Gao, sorry.

There was a good chance that neither Flatt nor Gao would have gotten an invitation to any other Grand Prix event if the USFSA didn't invite them to Skate America. While Nagasu and Czisny might have been more deserving, they are also more likely than Flatt and Gao to get invitations to a second event if any spaces open up.

icellist
05-21-2012, 11:17 PM
here's to hoping that Mirai is at the top of the substitute list

haribobo
05-21-2012, 11:24 PM
I can even understand Flatt getting SA but not Gao, sorry.

Really? Her FS at Nationals was kind of amazing! Granted she skated miserably on the GP, but you can't ignore what easily could have been a medal-winning FS at Nationals in another year. IMO, she deserves it, especially if Lam and Cesario are going the JGP route again and Baga's doing pairs- I can't really think who else would go anyway besides maybe Mirai. I prefer Mirai's skating greatly vs. Gao, but it would be silly to ignore the 5th and 6th place ladies from Nationals. Maybe if they didn't skate well at Nationals, but they did!

I think the TBA for Skate America men could be/could have been as much for Josh Farris as Evan or Armin. Its a little sad/perplexing that he wasn't given anything on the first go round (he was guaranteed 1, right?!?)- I wonder if there was a miscommunication somewhere. And his low finishes at Nationals put him in a bit of a no man's land politically despite his junior worlds showing. But it sounds like at any rate, he'd be very high up on the alternate list as well as very high up in contention for the TBA SA spot, so its kind of funny for him to throw in the towel and go back to JGP, but if he does indeed want Jr. Worlds again then this would be the right move. It seems that at this point in his career, he lacks that Plushenko-like delusional intensity to go for broke in getting what he wants. To each their own strategy, I suppose. Dornbush has a bit of this fire, at least he usually does, and this is why he gets the spots that an otherwise more timid skater would not get. Its the X-factory mystery spark.

As for Armin, its also kind of sad to not see the pewter medalist with anything, but at least he's had chances before- unlike Messing, Aaron, and Carriere who got a bit of the shaft last fall. And IMO there was nothing separating these 4 skaters' performances at Nationals. I think there is a desire by USFS to really see something impressive from Armin after his poor GP showings and subpar FS at Nationals. I wonder if anyone will skate lights out this summer and become impossible to ignore or if it will be another mishmash of good but not amazing performances by all these guys making it impossible to choose between them all...

Just about perfect job IMO by USFS on these assignments for Skate America- I can't wait to see who ends up with the TBA pairs spot and I really hope it is Zhang/Bartholomay if they look good over the summer- they've both been good little soldiers quietly working their way up the ranks. Although I'd also love to see Castelli/Shnapir if they are landing their jumps and hitting that quad throw- with a good skate, they could totally be GP medal winning skaters. I pray Donlan/Speroff can do their best at Skate America and show the world what an amazing world class team we've been hiding the last couple of years. :cheer:

Why not Rostelecom for Martiusheva/Rogonov? They were bloody fantastic at Russian Nationals! I really hope they get something, assuming they are still competing.

Ziggy
05-21-2012, 11:31 PM
And really, really puzzled that Armin got dumped, and that the massively underwhelming Ricky got gifted with two assignments. (Or is there some injury to Armin?)

He didn't get dumped. His scores and results last season simply weren't high enough.


How the heck did Flatt get Skate America over Gracie?

Gold was eligible for 2 spots based on her SB, if I understand correctly.

Flatt needed a host pick.


Did Brown and Farris decide to stay on the JGP again? I think that's a big mistake since they needed to get out there a year before the Olympic year. With the US rather average in Mens they could have climbed up the rankings this next season. Other then Abbott all the other Senior Men are lacking at this time. Bown and Farris could have done some damage even next season. Skaters like Rippon and Miner are not the answer.

As Pinky said, if they skated GP they wouldn't be able to go back to Junior competitions, under the new rules which will most likely pass at congress.

Also, 2 JGPs and JGPF will be worth more in terms of ranking points and prize money than one mediocre GP result.

icellist
05-21-2012, 11:45 PM
Gold was eligible for 2 spots based on her SB, if I understand correctly.


I'm pretty sure Gracie's SB only guaranteed 1 GP, or else Mirai would have had 2 GPs too
USFSA probably politicked for Gracie

jlai
05-21-2012, 11:47 PM
As Pinky said, if they skated GP they wouldn't be able to go back to Junior competitions, under the new rules which will most likely pass at congress.

Also, 2 JGPs and JGPF will be worth more in terms of ranking points and prize money than one mediocre GP result.

https://twitter.com/#!/joshdfarris/status/204684561077121024

Josh wanted a gp but didn't get one. ETA: IMHO, that s*cks esp when skaters not on top 24 world ranking or sb got one gp

Ziggy
05-21-2012, 11:59 PM
I'm pretty sure Gracie's SB only guaranteed 1 GP, or else Mirai would have had 2 GPs too
USFSA probably politicked for Gracie

Yes.

I was talking about Flatt and not Nagasu, though.


https://twitter.com/#!/joshdfarris/status/204684561077121024

Josh wanted a gp but didn't get one. ETA: IMHO, that s*cks esp when skaters not on top 24 world ranking or sb got one gp

It's probably in his better interest, in the end.

LilJen
05-22-2012, 12:07 AM
nevermind

LilJen
05-22-2012, 12:07 AM
Well, I guess we're starting to see the consequences of limiting GP spots on worthy US skaters. :( (and probably other countries as well, but I'm not as clued in)

pinky166
05-22-2012, 01:07 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/joshdfarris/status/204684561077121024

Josh wanted a gp but didn't get one. ETA: IMHO, that s*cks esp when skaters not on top 24 world ranking or sb got one gp

Wait wasn't he 20th on the SB list? Meaning he was in the top 24 meaning he should have been guaranteed 1 event? I thought that's how it worked. If he did in fact submit his name he should be on the roster, unless, did the rule change and only those in the top 24 on the WORLD RANKING are guaranteed a GP event? Can anyone confirm this? If the rule didn't change, I think Josh could file a complaint explaining the error made.

SamuraiK
05-22-2012, 01:18 AM
Josh was guaranteed one event and if he wanted it and didn't get the only reason I can think of is USFS not sending his name which of course would be a big time dropping the ball scenario.