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barbk
05-21-2012, 05:39 PM
6th at Nationals and an American "fan favorite", that's why. The majority of this board may not like her, but she is popular amongst American skating audiences. It's not like we have a lot of other ladies to consider. Flatt got top 6 at Nationals without being in ideal condition... We're just not that deep in this discipline.


Given that Armin didn't get one and he finished 4th at Nationals, :lynch:

carriemarie
05-21-2012, 05:46 PM
So who will get the TBA at Skate America in everyone's opinion? Aren't Felicia/Nate next in line as far as Senior Nationals placement? Or will they give it to Denney/Frazier? The technical contact is so much stronger for Z/B, but I guess it will come down to summer comps? Who else is there?

Sylvia
05-21-2012, 05:52 PM
I expect Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier to return to the JGP. Felicia Zhang/Nate Bartholomay (8th in Senior Pairs at Nationals) and Kylie Duarte/Colin Grafton (3rd in Junior) are possibilities (and Senior B candidates), depending on how they perform this summer, as well as the pairs with 1 initial GP besides Skate America -- Castelli/Shnapir (5th), Vise/Baldwin (9th), and the new teams of Yankowskas/Reagan and Davis/Ladwig.

carriemarie
05-21-2012, 05:58 PM
I expect Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier to return to the JGP. Felicia Zhang/Nate Bartholomay (8th in Senior Pairs at Nationals) and Kylie Duarte/Colin Grafton (3rd in Junior) are possibilities (and Senior B candidates), depending on how they perform this summer, as well as the pairs with 1 initial GP besides Skate America -- Castelli/Shnapir (5th), Vise/Baldwin (9th), and the new teams of Yankowskas/Reagan and Davis/Ladwig.

I would hope Z/B would get a chance, but I could see C/S getting a second spot depending on Indy. I don't think V/B should get two spots based on a particularly horrendous Nationals showing and no real great future for this team based on age and previous GP showings. Unless Y/R and D/L come swinging out of the gate like Denney/Coughlin I don't think they should get two assignments. I don't see them ready in time for SA yet. Duarte/Grafton are very inconsistent and not one of my favorite teams, despite having some great elements, I don't believe they are ready for a GP this year despite a move to Senior. I am sure both Z/B and D/G will get senior B's this year.

pinky166
05-21-2012, 07:01 PM
Did Brown and Farris decide to stay on the JGP again? I think that's a big mistake since they needed to get out there a year before the Olympic year. With the US rather average in Mens they could have climbed up the rankings this next season. Other then Abbott all the other Senior Men are lacking at this time. Bown and Farris could have done some damage even next season. Skaters like Rippon and Miner are not the answer.

Yes, they must have made that decision on their own, as they both have 1 GP guaranteed due to SB (Farris 20, Brown 23) and Brown actually was 23 in SB so got a guarantee that way as well (Farris just missed being 26th or something), so if they submitted their names for selection, they would have been in the assignments at least once.

My guess is they are doing JGP to keep their options open. Though I feel like they each could have probably gotten 2 GPs had they moved up, it's highly unlikely they'd make the GPF, and then post nationals, if they moved up, they'd have to hope to place really high at nationals to get an assignment to 4CC and/or Worlds. New rules don't allow skaters who have competed on the senior GP to return to JW, so even though Farris and Brown are both eligible by age to go to 2 more JWs, they would have to give the chance to compete there up if they did senior GP this season.

So essentially, if they moved up, they could potentially be looking at 1 GP as their only international event of the season.

By staying junior, they are most likely going to receive 2 JGP assignments each and earn a trip to the JGPF, and then can be considered for 4CC, senior world, and JW teams after nationals. They are probably aiming to make the 4CC and/or senior world teams, but by staying junior they pretty much have the JW assignment in the bag as a backup plan.

This season, Farris and Brown were the only 2 men competing as seniors at Nationals that were young enough for JW, and Dolensky and Warren have now aged out. So barring a meltdown from one or both of them or a blinder performance at Nationals from more than one of Chen, Choate, or Yostanto (or some random that comes out of nowhere), they can pretty much bank on being sent to JW next season, and that's if they miss out on 4CC and/or Worlds which IMO they still have a decent shot at considering the state of US men now. US can send 3 men to JW so you'd assume if Farris and Brown don't get a better offer the team will likely be those two and then either Chen or Choate (whoever gets 3a by then probably).

So I understand where they are coming from. I still wish they'd move up, but they probably didn't want to risk getting only 1 fall senior international and that's it. Also maybe Brown wants to focus on putting the 3a into his programs and Farris the 4t into his programs in a less pressure-filled situation, as PCS alone should give both a good shot to qualify for the JGPF even if they don't skate brilliantly.

The whole no going to JW after doing the senior GP could also be reason for Vanessa Lam's staying junior as well, though I think she just missed on a guarantee for a GP assignment so maybe she did submit her name after all and just had bad luck.

peibeck
05-21-2012, 07:50 PM
:cheer2: Excited (and surprised!) to see some of the new pairs and dance teams on the roster.

I am surpised about Yan Han not going into the senior ranks, but not so surprised about Farris or Brown. The could still make it to 4CC (or potentially even Worlds).

I remember all the grousing about Caoline Zhang getting Skate America last year; I guess Rachael is going to get the all the woe this season. :lol: Personally it seems like a reasonable choice for USFS considering it is close for her to travel to and her ranking at Nationals. Goa didn't do much better her GPs last season, but I'm glad the USFS offered her SA as well.

LilJen
05-21-2012, 08:00 PM
Let the :argue: begin about the TBA spots!!! I hope that Samuelson/Gilles can get that SA TBA spot for dance. Summer comps should be FIERCE.

CoralReef
05-21-2012, 08:50 PM
Let the :argue: begin about the TBA spots!!! I hope that Samuelson/Gilles can get that SA TBA spot for dance. Summer comps should be FIERCE.Do we know yet if the host pick has to have the minimum seasons best? I think Emily Samuelson/Todd Gilles are below the minimum by a few points if that's a factor. Other teams who could be considered Anastasia Cannuscio/Colin McManus have the minimum from a Senior B if that counts, Anastasia Olson/Keiffer Hubbel are new but probably in the mix because of their international history with previous partners. If minimums are required, then based on Lake Placid these teams might need to do an early international event. Doubt either of the young juniors who earned US National medals will be jumping up to senior internationally yet.

euterpe
05-21-2012, 09:13 PM
Brown makes sense -- he didn't medal at JW, needs to compete with a 3 axel as often as possible, and a likely 2 JGP + probably JGPF gives him plenty of competitive outings. Can he do a Senior B under the new rules?

Jason Brown won bronze at JW and gold at the JGPF.

LilJen
05-21-2012, 09:25 PM
Do we know yet if the host pick has to have the minimum seasons best? I think Emily Samuelson/Todd Gilles are below the minimum by a few points if that's a factor. Other teams who could be considered Anastasia Cannuscio/Colin McManus have the minimum from a Senior B if that counts, Anastasia Olson/Keiffer Hubbel are new but probably in the mix because of their international history with previous partners. If minimums are required, then based on Lake Placid these teams might need to do an early international event. Doubt either of the young juniors who earned US National medals will be jumping up to senior internationally yet.

Don't know, but I am sure the USA Sr B will be WELL attended!!

jlai
05-21-2012, 09:34 PM
I think the US ladies assignments are ok. Totally crushed about Yan Han, Farris and Brown not going senior. I was hopiing to see one of them in a gp

Conga
05-21-2012, 09:45 PM
Do we know yet if the host pick has to have the minimum seasons best? I think Emily Samuelson/Todd Gilles are below the minimum by a few points if that's a factor. Other teams who could be considered Anastasia Cannuscio/Colin McManus have the minimum from a Senior B if that counts, Anastasia Olson/Keiffer Hubbel are new but probably in the mix because of their international history with previous partners. If minimums are required, then based on Lake Placid these teams might need to do an early international event. Doubt either of the young juniors who earned US National medals will be jumping up to senior internationally yet.

Yes, and let's hope that USFS assigns the Senior Bs in a way that can give all these teams the opportunity to obtain a minimum season's best for that SA slot as well as give K/G-S and C/B the opportunity to compete again internationally before their single GP events.

morqet
05-21-2012, 10:36 PM
Josh wanted (https://twitter.com/#!/joshdfarris/status/204684561077121024) to move up to seniors this year, I really can't understand why he didn't at least get a host pick.

Sasha'sSpins
05-21-2012, 10:41 PM
Alissa only has one.

So does Mirai. After the way she skated this year I tought Nagasu would get none. I'm happy she got that much at least. I hope she has it together by then. Rachael got one as well.

peibeck
05-21-2012, 10:51 PM
After the way she skated this year I tought Nagasu would get none.

:confused: She won silver at Cup of China and won gold at the Nebelhorn Trophy.

Yes she had another less than stellar GP event, and then was disappointing at Nationals, but I would certainly have expected her to get at least one GP.