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Ziggy
06-07-2012, 07:57 AM
Well Czisny probably won't accept a replacement due to her surgery.

I guess Biryukova and Korobeynikova would be the weakest here but then Nagasu and Korpi are both the kind of names that could draw skating fans in.

And well you'd want Kiira just so you could use her pictures in your promotional materials. ;)

haribobo
06-07-2012, 12:01 PM
Men with 1 spot-

Sergei Voronov SB 25
Jorik Hendrickx SB 28
Andrei Rogozine SB 29
Artur Dmitriev SB 30
Jinlin Guan SB 31
Zhan Bush SB 32
Konstantin Menshov SB 33
Daisuke Murakami SB 36
Alexander Majorov SB 37
Douglas Razzano SB 38
Liam Firus SB 40

No Spots and not JGP

Misha Ge SB 31
Armin Mahbanoozadeh SB 41
Brandon Mroz SB 42
Peter Liebers SB 43

Hedwig
06-07-2012, 12:33 PM
No Spots and not JGP

Misha Ge SB 31
Armin Mahbanoozadeh SB 41
Brandon Mroz SB 42
Peter Liebers SB 43
I can live perfectly without seeing Mroz and the GP but I really hope the other three still get a spot. Especially Ge and Liebers as being the only ones from their country and thereby providing national diversity.

Lara
06-07-2012, 07:00 PM
Fourth place at US Nats should not be sitting at home without a GP spot, and I don't care if you find Armin boring. :P He should have been allowed a chance to gain points at 4CC. :(

Sylvia
06-07-2012, 07:06 PM
I posted the following earlier in this thread (have since added some extra info):

From the ISU's bulletin on the 2012-13 Grand Prix: http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1066

The minimum score for the 2012/13 season is 3/5 of the highest score per discipline at the 2012 World Figure Skating Championships, which is 113.43 points for Ladies; 159.66 points for Men; 120.90 points for Pairs and 109.59 for Ice Dance.
MEN
1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
25 Sergei Voronov RUS (NHK)
28 Jorik Hendrickx BEL (TEB; #27 in World Standings)
29 Andrei Rogozine CAN (NHK; #33 in WS)
30 Artur Dmitriev RUS (Cup of China; #37 in WS)
31(tie) Jinlin Guan CHN (Cup of China host pick)
32 Zhan Bush RUS (Rostelecom Cup host pick)
33 Konstantin Menshov RUS (Skate America; #21 in WS)
36 Daisuke Murakami JPN (NHK host pick)
37 Alexander Majorov SWE (Skate America; #15 in WS)
38 Douglas Razzano USA (Skate America host pick)
40 Liam Firus CAN (Skate Canada host pick)

No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, all JGP age-eligible men removed):
3 Evgeni Plushenko RUS (Rostelecom Cup's TBA?)
31(tie) Misha Ge UZB
41 Armin Mahbanoozadeh USA
42 Brandon Mroz USA
43 Peter Liebers GER
44 Christopher Caluza PHI
46 Viktor Pfeifer AUT
47 Jialiang Wu CHN
48 Chafik Besseghier FRA
49 Kim Lucine MON
50 Gordei Gorshkov RUS
51 Zoltan Kelemen ROU
53 Timothy Dolensky USA
56 Paolo Bacchini ITA
57 Ryuichi Kihara JPN
59 Jiaxing Liu CHN
61 Paul Fentz GER
63 Javier Raya ESP
65 Maciej Cieplucha POL
66 Philip Warren USA
77 Romain Ponsart FRA
[Cut-off (159.66) is above #78 Jeremy Ten CAN 159.22]

No SB score from 2011-12: Evan Lysacek USA - status still unknown (Skate America TBA?)

LADIES
1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
8 Alissa Czisny USA (NHK; #4 in World Standings; currently recovering from surgery on 6/6 (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3588082&postcount=362))
11 Mirai Nagasu USA (Cup of China; #13 in WS)
14 Kiira Korpi FIN (Rostelecom Cup; #5 in WS)
15 Sofia Biryukova RUS (NHK)
17 Polina Korobeynikova RUS (TEB)
18 Kexin Zhang CHN (Cup of China host pick, guaranteed 1)
19 Polina Shelepen RUS (NHK; #23 in WS)
24 Zijun Li CHN (NHK; #20 in WS)
30 Christina Gao USA (Skate America host pick)
35 Amelie Lacoste CAN (Skate Canada host pick, #21 in WS)
37 Joshi Helgesson SWE (Cup of China; #17 in WS)
38 Rachael Flatt USA (Skate America host pick)
41 Kaetlyn Osmond CAN (Skate Canada host pick)
42 Mae Berenice Meite FRA (Skate America; #15 in WS)
47 Bingwa Geng CHN (Cup of China host pick)
62 Sarah Hecken GER (Skate America; #24 in WS)
69 Lena Marrocco FRA (TEB host pick)

No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, JGP age-eligible ladies removed except for 1):
39 Cynthia Phaneuf CAN (#25 in WS)
44 Elena Glebova EST
46 Jenna McCorkell GBR
50 Sonia Lafuente ESP (#27 in WS)
51 Joelle Forte USA
53 Natalia Popova UKR (#31 in WS)
60 Yuki Nishino JPN (#28 in WS)
63 Min-Jeong Kwak KOR (ISU Junior age-eligible 1 more season)
65 Isabelle Olsson SWE
66 Adriana DeSanctis CAN
68 Kate Charbonneau CAN
70 Kerstin Frank AUT



PAIRS
1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
20 Vise/Baldwin USA (Skate Canada)
26 Castelli/Shnapir USA (NHK)
27 Gerboldt/Enbert RUS (Skate Canada)
28 Hausch/Wende GER (Rostelecom Cup)
35 Popova/Massot FRA (TEB host pick)
38 Kemp/King GBR (Skate America)
-- Peng/Zhang CHN (split couple; Cup of China host pick)
-- Yankowskas/Reagan USA (split couple; Cup of China)
-- Davis/Ladwig USA (split couple; NHK)
-- Donlan/Speroff USA (Skate America host pick)

No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, confirmed split & JGP age-eligible pairs removed):
[i]29 Dong/Wu CHN - split?
33 Steele/Schultz CAN
34 Zhang/Wang CHN - split?
40 Della Monica/Guarise ITA
43 Duarte/Grafton USA
51 Bakirova/Kamianchuk BLR
[Cut-off (120.90) is above #53 Montalbano/Krasnopolski ISR 120.32]

1 TBA pair slot open at: Skate America, Skate Canada, Rostelecom Cup, TEB.

Order of GP events in fall of 2012 is: Skate America, Skate Canada, Cup of China, Rostelecom Cup, TEB, NHK Trophy.

Skittl1321
06-07-2012, 07:42 PM
I really hope Misha Ge gets a spot. I feel very badly Armin doesn't have one (honestly, that is a travesty), but Ge is amazing too- and the only skater from his country. How can federations grow programs if they can't even send out the skaters they have? (I'm surprised Caluza isn't on there either.)

I'm surprised Mroz doesn't have one, but his skating isn't too exciting to me, so eh. There are a lot of Americans out there.


Why did the GP reduce the number of spots. What a mistake.

Hedwig
06-07-2012, 09:14 PM
Fourth place at US Nats should not be sitting at home without a GP spot, and I don't care if you find Armin boring. :P He should have been allowed a chance to gain points at 4CC. :(

Nationals does not play into the GP selection process. Skaters are chosen from the SB list and their world standing not by how they placed at their Nationals.

Sylvia
06-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Lara's point (and mine earlier) was that Armin Mahbanoozadeh's 4th place finish at US Nationals should have earned him at least the men's 1st alternate spot to 4CC. Dornbush ended up going as the 1st alternate instead (he did not raise his SB score from Cup of China at 4CC), and so Mahbanoozadeh missed out on the opportunity to raise his ISU SB score (he was skating much better following the GP season after he moved his training base to Colorado Springs to prepare for Nationals).

Hedwig
06-07-2012, 10:24 PM
ah okay, sorry, I assumed because so many seem to believe that the federation has a say in this (well, a bigger say than they do)

jlai
06-08-2012, 12:26 AM
USFSA had somehow managed in the past to get a GP for their top 5 at nationals. This is the first year the fed won't be able to do so, mainly because of reduced entries, a couple of poor strategies (4cc assignment), and probably the return of Evan (who will likely take up the TBA at SA)

kwanfan1818
06-08-2012, 01:22 AM
Also, the host Feds do have control over their spots, and USFS didn't use one of their assignments for Mahbanoozadeh, although it's still possible for him to get the remaining TBA.

icellist
06-08-2012, 01:26 AM
I posted the following earlier in this thread (have since added some extra info):

From the ISU's bulletin on the 2012-13 Grand Prix: http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1066

LADIES
1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
8 Alissa Czisny USA (NHK; #4 in World Standings; currently recovering from surgery on 6/6 (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3588082&postcount=362))
11 Mirai Nagasu USA (Cup of China; #13 in WS)
14 Kiira Korpi FIN (Rostelecom Cup; #5 in WS)
15 Sofia Biryukova RUS (NHK)
17 Polina Korobeynikova RUS (TEB)
18 Kexin Zhang CHN (Cup of China host pick, guaranteed 1)
19 Polina Shelepen RUS (NHK; #23 in WS)
24 Zijun Li CHN (NHK; #20 in WS)
30 Christina Gao USA (Skate America host pick)
35 Amelie Lacoste CAN (Skate Canada host pick, #21 in WS)
37 Joshi Helgesson SWE (Cup of China; #17 in WS)
38 Rachael Flatt USA (Skate America host pick)
41 Kaetlyn Osmond CAN (Skate Canada host pick)
42 Mae Berenice Meite FRA (Skate America; #15 in WS)
47 Bingwa Geng CHN (Cup of China host pick)
62 Sarah Hecken GER (Skate America; #24 in WS)
69 Lena Marrocco FRA (TEB host pick)

No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, JGP age-eligible ladies removed except for 1):
39 Cynthia Phaneuf CAN (#25 in WS)
44 Elena Glebova EST
46 Jenna McCorkell GBR
50 Sonia Lafuente ESP (#27 in WS)
51 Joelle Forte USA
53 Natalia Popova UKR (#31 in WS)
60 Yuki Nishino JPN (#28 in WS)
63 Min-Jeong Kwak KOR (ISU Junior age-eligible 1 more season)
65 Isabelle Olsson SWE
66 Adriana DeSanctis CAN
68 Kate Charbonneau CAN
70 Kerstin Frank AUT

[I went down to #75 on the Ladies' SB scores list (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtslto.htm). Cut-off for the ladies' GP minimum score (113.43) is #98 Isabelle Drescher GER & above.]



Kexin Zhang was top 10 at worlds and guaranteed 2 spots already. I think she is also at TEB

Sylvia
06-08-2012, 01:32 AM
Kexin Zhang was top 10 at worlds and guaranteed 2 spots already. I think she is also at TEB
Yes, you're right. I've now crossed out her name in my post on the previous page: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3588715&postcount=335

Ziggy
06-08-2012, 05:48 AM
and probably the return of Evan (who will likely take up the TBA at SA)

Dream on. ;)

SkateFan66
06-08-2012, 07:33 AM
The federation supported Gachinski going senior because they had no successful senior men at that time.

That is certainly not the USFS' problem. ;)

Agree. Gachinski finished 2nd at Russian Nationals in 2011 and 2012. Compare that to Jason who finished 9th at US Nationals in 2011 and 2012; and Joshua who finished 21st at 2011 US Nationals and 16th at 2012 Nationals.