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Jayar
05-23-2012, 10:30 PM
past results means nothing if you are a headcase
Zawadzki if she bombs pretty much gets very low scores

Everybody gets low scores if they bomb. You just don't like Agnes for some reason, and that's fine. But stop stating that she gets too many chances when all she has done is work hard, performed well enough to earn assignments, and, well, try.

kwanfan1818
05-23-2012, 10:41 PM
Yes, I'm pretty sure that the ISU is only looking at results, not skater psychology or emotional life.

Exactly: the ISU's selection criteria is entirely results-based and agnostic to skater psychology and emotional life: it's the Federations that negotiate for their skaters at other events and strategically choose their host picks and skaters' competition (whenever possible in the selection order) at their own events.

It doesn't matter if fans consider a skater an inconsistent headcase or the greatest arteeste on the planet and more deserving than someone who meets the criteria.

Lara
05-23-2012, 10:59 PM
As far as I know she's still training with Orser and SC still has a TBA spot for the Ladies. I suppose they could give that spot to Najarro or DeSanctis but I don't really see that happening.

Cynthia recently tweeted about apartment hunting in Toronto, so safe to assume she's committed to training for next season.

Rock2
05-24-2012, 02:22 AM
I'm not sure I would write Balde off just yet. We haven't seen the results of his coaching change. If he comes out and nails a couple of summer comps I think he will be in the mix. When he is on he has the most amazing 3A.

I heard a rumor that Firus is training in Colorado Springs ... anyone down there who can report? I would love him to get a solid 3A so we have a real fight for those spots. I think Chan is a lock - short of a broken bone - but I the other one or two spots could go to any of Reynolds, Ten, Rogozine, Balde, or Firus. I'm not sure there is anyone else out there really in the running.

Fair point on Balde. I'll keep him on the short list...but deeper on it :)
Oh God how I wish we qualify 3 men for Sochi but this will be so hard. Reynolds skated so well but there were a number of guys who finished below him who could have just as easily beaten him...

JasperBoy
05-24-2012, 03:45 AM
I have great faith that Balde will show improvement after his coaching and choreographer change. IMHO, he is in the mix but needs to get more experience and opportunities.
Guess I will have to be satisfied with Senior Bs.

Just can't warm up to Rogozine or Firus. Balde, on the other hand......

carriemarie
05-24-2012, 03:47 AM
Eyeballing the TBA at SA for US pairs -

I bet it will come down to a 2d assignment for any one of Yankowskas / Reagan, Davis / Ladwig, or Castelli / Shnapir, or perhaps a 1st assignment for Zhang / Bartholomay.

C/S might get an edge if they are landing throw Quads.

FWIW, Y/R will have 2 months together as a pair longer than D/L

Donlan / Speroff are already there.

The summer comps and Nebelhorn will be verryyy important for US pairs!

Indy should be interesting! My guess is Z/B will get Nebelhorn and if they do well at both events will get the TBA spot. I don't see Y/R or D/L being SA ready because of the new partnership, especially Mark and Lindsay as they haven't been together long and Mark has been with one partner for such a long time it has to be a big adjustment.

Mayra
05-24-2012, 04:22 AM
This.

No, Josh should not decide when he wants to move up.

It's not just about him and about what he wants.

USFS should do what's in the best interest of US Figure Skating and not what's in the perceived best interest of an individual skater.

Josh is certainly capable of making the JGPF and then even winning it, so keeping him on the JGP for one more season certainly makes more sense than him having just one GP and then placing in the middle of the pack, most likely.


When the did the USFS turn into the Chinese federation? :eek:

4rkidz
05-24-2012, 04:26 AM
I have great faith that Balde will show improvement after his coaching and choreographer change. IMHO, he is in the mix but needs to get more experience and opportunities.
Guess I will have to be satisfied with Senior Bs.

Just can't warm up to Rogozine or Firus. Balde, on the other hand......

me too ;) he has that 'star' quality that is missing from the others.. although some potential with Firus..:P

allezfred
05-24-2012, 10:10 AM
When the did the USFS turn into the Chinese federation? :eek:

This is how all federations work. You have to think strategically when you make decisions on which skaters you are going to send to which competitions. With so many skaters to choose from I imagine it's even more difficult for the USFS. You're never going to please everyone.

barbk
05-24-2012, 01:59 PM
This is how all federations work. You have to think strategically when you make decisions on which skaters you are going to send to which competitions. With so many skaters to choose from I imagine it's even more difficult for the USFS. You're never going to please everyone.

I'd completely agree with you when it is the USFSA's choice, but when an athlete is guaranteed a spot under the ISU rules and then is apparently denied the spot by the USFSA, that's wrong. Should Barbie Long go out on the JGP? That's completely up to the USFSA. Should Abbott be denied the GP he earned because the USFSA was very disappointed in his results last year? I don't think so. Brown seems to have earned a spot based on last year's results. Unless the rules changed making that not so, or unless he violated some "morals clause," if he wanted the GP he should have gotten it. Ditto with Farris.

That doesn't mean that the USFSA shouldn't speak with the skater & coach about why they think Plan B might be better -- but in the end, it would seem that it ought to be the skater's choice, and it seemed that Farris, at least, was blindsided.

Sylvia
05-24-2012, 02:09 PM
I can see why the Chinese federation might want to "deny" Han Yan the Senior Grand Prix next season if they feel they might need him to medal at 2013 Junior Worlds and ensure the maximum number of JGP spots the following season. However, USFS has TWO JGP Final and Junior World medalists in Farris and Jason Brown, so why not keep Brown back and let Farris move up IF those, indeed, are their respective choices?

ETA:

Indy should be interesting! My guess is Z/B [Zhang/Bartholomay] will get Nebelhorn and if they do well at both events will get the TBA spot. I don't see Y/R or D/L being SA ready because of the new partnership, especially Mark and Lindsay as they haven't been together long and Mark has been with one partner for such a long time it has to be a big adjustment.
I've observed over the past few years that USFS has been filling the Skate America TBA slots in August (after Indy Challenge, Lake Placid Dance and/or Champs Camp) or early September and have not been waiting for the results from Nebelhorn Trophy. There may be an ISU deadline for filling the TBA host spots?

Marco
05-24-2012, 02:38 PM
I can see why the Chinese federation might want to "deny" Han Yan the Senior Grand Prix next season if they feel they might need him to medal at 2013 Junior Worlds and ensure the maximum number of JGP spots the following season.

Can't he go to both Junior and Senior Worlds? I think Yan Han has a much better shot of getting China that second spot for Sochi. Song is a big point getter when he gets his jumps done, but once he doesn't everything falls flat (like at Worlds when his PCS matched those of VDP and Voronov :shuffle:). Yan Han actually scored some very decent PCS on the junior international scene this past season (on par with Farris and Brown!) and he also has a quad and 3axel.

Sylvia
05-24-2012, 02:41 PM
Can't he go to both Junior and Senior Worlds?
In theory, yes, but Junior and Senior Worlds are only one week apart next season -- Feb. 25-Mar. 3, 2013 in Milan, Italy and Mar. 10-17 in London, ON.

Habs
05-24-2012, 04:06 PM
I have great faith that Balde will show improvement after his coaching and choreographer change. IMHO, he is in the mix but needs to get more experience and opportunities.
Guess I will have to be satisfied with Senior Bs.

Just can't warm up to Rogozine or Firus. Balde, on the other hand......

I really like Andrei Rogozine. He's rough around the edges, but I think he's got some great talent. With the right coaching and good programs, he could do well over the next few years. Plus, he's a super nice kid.

euterpe
05-24-2012, 04:59 PM
I can see why the Chinese federation might want to "deny" Han Yan the Senior Grand Prix next season if they feel they might need him to medal at 2013 Junior Worlds and ensure the maximum number of JGP spots the following season. However, USFS has TWO JGP Final and Junior World medalists in Farris and Jason Brown, so why not keep Brown back and let Farris move up IF those, indeed, are their respective choices?



Holding Han Yan back might make sense if China FILLED all their JGP slots, but that's not always the case. I agree it would make sense for USFS to let Farris move up while keeping Brown on the JGP until he gets his 3A.

Maybe USFS doesn't see that many potential JGP medalwinners coming up (with the exception of Nathan Chen, who is very small and young), so they want to keep bringing in as many JGP medals as possible.

But it is galling to see Dmitriev, 14th at JW, 37th WR and 29th SB, getting an invitation while JW silver medalist Farris gets none.