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RD
05-23-2012, 07:04 AM
If Zawadzki gets 2, then IMHO Nagasu should have certainly gotten 2 as well.

DickButtonFan
05-23-2012, 07:23 AM
Mirai didn't do well at nationals, and hasn't made it to worlds twice now. I think the USFSA made the right decision and Mirai is one of my favorites. Hopefully she'll get a TBA spot or something.

I think Zawadzki deserved the 2 spots, when she's on she can beat some of the best which is why she was 1st after the sp at nationals. Her jumps are huge and she has great spins, MUCH better than Gao IMO, plus Agnes is the bronze medalist.

As far as Dornbush getting 2 spots, I really don't agree with that. Jason Brown didn't have a 3A last year so he really should be junior still, we have so many other skaters in the men that can do quads and 3A's. Farris could go either way, it might be good for him to try and get a Junior Grand Prix title.

pinky166
05-23-2012, 01:24 PM
I don't understand why so many people attach so much weight to the obviously impulsive tweet of a seventeen-year-old boy, as opposed to the rules of an international sports union and the standard practices of one of its member federations, particularly when the tweet was later retracted. It's as if they've never been or even known a seventeen-year-old boy themselves. :shuffle:

Lol. I would think his coach would tell him if he thought it was better for him to stay on the JGP another season. I don't think that's what happened. I think USFS talked Josh's coaches out of it, without Josh knowing, likely bribing them by promising 2 JGP events, a likely trip to JGPF, and a trip to JW after nationals if he doesn't get a better offer in the form of 4CC and/or Worlds. Then once the assignments were released, Josh's coaches told him what the USFS said to them, thus explaining why he didn't receive an assignment, causing him to delete the tweet. This is the most logical explanation for what happened, USFS wants to be able to send him to JW if he doesn't make the world team, and they wanted to give Rippon, Miner, and Dornbush a better chance of getting 2 assignments since none of them were guaranteed 2, because without 2, none of them have a chance to make the GPF. I doubt any of them will make the GPF anyway, but USFS seems to think these 3 are the bees knees even though the international judges may think otherwise :shuffle:

demetriosj
05-23-2012, 02:43 PM
How the heck did Flatt get Skate America over Gracie? Except for Ashley the US Ladies are underwhelming. Shouldn't SA get the best the US has to offer? I would take Agnes over Christina or Rachael.

While you may be a huge Gracie fan, she hasn't paid her dues.

Vagabond
05-23-2012, 03:47 PM
How the heck did Flatt get Skate America over Gracie? Except for Ashley the US Ladies are underwhelming. Shouldn't SA get the best the US has to offer? I would take Agnes over Christina or Rachael.

If you go back over the past several years' of Skate America assignments, you'll see that the USFSA usually tries to make sure that as many of its top senior-level skaters as possible get Grand Prix assignments. After giving the National champions invitation to Skate America (assuming they want it), the Federation tends to invite at least one skater per discipline, and sometimes two, who aren't likely to be invited anywhere else, like Douglas Razzano this year, Joelle Forte last year, and Caroline Zhang the year before that.

The fact that Gao and Flatt weren't better than Zawadzki last season -- and Flatt's drawing power as a former National champion -- probably helped them get invitations.

Rock2
05-23-2012, 05:07 PM
Looks like Canada is starting to place its bets now for the Olympic games, which means picking a smaller pool of skaters to focus on to develop into contenders for the slots.

We're deep in pairs and dance now so there is clear focus. Paul/Islam are the casualty there.

No surprises in Men. Reynolds and Chan are likely to go to Sochi so it's now about finding a 3rd of we get that spot. I think the real contenders are Rogozine and Ten and then I think Firus if he gets the 3A. I'm not convinced about Balde...

Ladies. Wow. Lacoste gets SC because she won nats I'm assuming. Phaneuf has been dumped and will have to win some Bs to get attention back to her. I see a real scenario where Osmond goes to London. I think the wildcard for the Windsor slot is Myriane Samson. If her training is going well she may get a look.

barbk
05-23-2012, 05:30 PM
While you may be a huge Gracie fan, she hasn't paid her dues.

Did they add a dues-paying requirement above and beyond basic membership while I wasn't looking?

Jayar
05-23-2012, 06:23 PM
I just don't get why Zawadzki always gets so many cahnces
she is even worst than Gao, imo

Huh? Agnes won the U.S. junior title in 2010, and followed that up with Junior Worlds silver. As such, she was assigned to TWO Grand Prix events in the fall of 2010. She was 4th as a senior at 2011 U.S. Nationals, was selected for and won the Junior Worlds bronze medal. As a result, she was selected for two GPs in the fall of 2011. At the 2012 U.S. Championships, she won the bronze medal and was assigned to and placed 6th at 4CCs. She received two GPs as a result. How has she been given so many chances? Seems to me, she hasn't been given chances, but instead has earned her assignments.

kwanfan1818
05-23-2012, 06:41 PM
Two things interesting about the Press Release about GP Assignments:

In the language of the release, the only skaters that are guaranteed spots are:


Seeded skaters (1-6)-two
7-12 at prior Worlds-two
JGPF/JW medalists-one


It says, "and skaters with a high seasons best score as well as those placed in the top of the World Standings can also be invited."

(They mention nothing about "come-back" skaters or the obvious rule change that "split couples" can be assigned in the initial selection, not just the alternates list.)

This may be the ISU being its typical, vaguely worded self, or there might have been a rule change, although the behavior -- all senior skaters in the Top 24 SB and WS got at least one -- followed last year's rules.

The changes in GP minimums are:

Ladies: 113.43 vs. 117.48 in 2011-12. Cut-off is 98 SB vs. 81 SB.
Men: 159.66 vs. 168.60 in 2011-12. Cut of is 77 SB vs. 60 SB.
Pairs: 120.90 vs. 130.71 in 2011-12. Cut-off is 52 SB vs. 33 SB.
Dance: 109.59 vs. 115.15 in 2011-12. Cut-off is 66 SB vs. 59 SB.


Where the GP minimum differential is ~10 points, in

Pairs,

There is a 58% increase in the number of teams that made this year's GP minimum.
44 SB would have made last year's GP minimum, an increase of 33.34% over last year's qualifiers.


Men

There is a 28% increase in the number of Men who made this year's GP minimum
61 SB would have made last year's GP minimum, an increase of 1.5%.


In Dance, there was a decrease of 5.56 in the GP minimum, and

There is a 31% increase in the number of teams that made this year's GP minimum
63 SB would have made last year's GP minimum, an increase of 7%.


In Ladies, there was a decrease of 4.05, and

There is a 21% increase in the number of Ladies who made this year's GP minimum
89 would have made last year's GP minimum, an increase of 11%.


I think it's interesting that there would have been an increase in the number of skaters who made last year's GP minimum, even though for Men, the change is insignificant.

love_skate2011
05-23-2012, 06:58 PM
Huh? Agnes won the U.S. junior title in 2010, and followed that up with Junior Worlds silver. As such, she was assigned to TWO Grand Prix events in the fall of 2010. She was 4th as a senior at 2011 U.S. Nationals, was selected for and won the Junior Worlds bronze medal. As a result, she was selected for two GPs in the fall of 2011. At the 2012 U.S. Championships, she won the bronze medal and was assigned to and placed 6th at 4CCs. She received two GPs as a result. How has she been given so many chances? Seems to me, she hasn't been given chances, but instead has earned her assignments.

past results means nothing if you are a headcase
Zawadzki if she bombs pretty much gets very low scores

mag
05-23-2012, 07:37 PM
...No surprises in Men. Reynolds and Chan are likely to go to Sochi so it's now about finding a 3rd of we get that spot. I think the real contenders are Rogozine and Ten and then I think Firus if he gets the 3A. I'm not convinced about Balde...



I'm not sure I would write Balde off just yet. We haven't seen the results of his coaching change. If he comes out and nails a couple of summer comps I think he will be in the mix. When he is on he has the most amazing 3A.

I heard a rumor that Firus is training in Colorado Springs ... anyone down there who can report? I would love him to get a solid 3A so we have a real fight for those spots. I think Chan is a lock - short of a broken bone - but I the other one or two spots could go to any of Reynolds, Ten, Rogozine, Balde, or Firus. I'm not sure there is anyone else out there really in the running.

haribobo
05-23-2012, 08:44 PM
Huh? Agnes won the U.S. junior title in 2010, and followed that up with Junior Worlds silver. As such, she was assigned to TWO Grand Prix events in the fall of 2010. She was 4th as a senior at 2011 U.S. Nationals, was selected for and won the Junior Worlds bronze medal. As a result, she was selected for two GPs in the fall of 2011. At the 2012 U.S. Championships, she won the bronze medal and was assigned to and placed 6th at 4CCs. She received two GPs as a result. How has she been given so many chances? Seems to me, she hasn't been given chances, but instead has earned her assignments.

:respec: Exactly.

4rkidz
05-23-2012, 08:56 PM
As far as I know she's still training with Orser and SC still has a TBA spot for the Ladies. I suppose they could give that spot to Najarro or DeSanctis but I don't really see that happening.

Joannie :shuffle:



Looks like Canada is starting to place its bets now for the Olympic games, which means picking a smaller pool of skaters to focus on to develop into contenders for the slots.

We're deep in pairs and dance now so there is clear focus. Paul/Islam are the casualty there.

No surprises in Men. Reynolds and Chan are likely to go to Sochi so it's now about finding a 3rd of we get that spot. I think the real contenders are Rogozine and Ten and then I think Firus if he gets the 3A. I'm not convinced about Balde...

Ladies. Wow. Lacoste gets SC because she won nats I'm assuming. Phaneuf has been dumped and will have to win some Bs to get attention back to her. I see a real scenario where Osmond goes to London. I think the wildcard for the Windsor slot is Myriane Samson. If her training is going well she may get a look.

Assuming Joannie puts the rumours to rest and doesn't return.. then I think Osmond could be a factor..


I'm not sure I would write Balde off just yet. We haven't seen the results of his coaching change. If he comes out and nails a couple of summer comps I think he will be in the mix. When he is on he has the most amazing 3A.

Reynolds, Ten, Rogozine, Balde, or Firus. I'm not sure there is anyone else out there really in the running.

No I think you have nailed them.. I think it will come down to a consistent clean program and summer monitoring is going to be a major factor..

Theatregirl1122
05-23-2012, 09:01 PM
past results means nothing if you are a headcase
Zawadzki if she bombs pretty much gets very low scores

Past results earn you spots on the GP so, in this case, they actually mean everything.

AJ Skatefan
05-23-2012, 10:30 PM
Past results earn you spots on the GP so, in this case, they actually mean everything.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that the ISU is only looking at results, not skater psychology or emotional life.