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FSWer
05-12-2012, 02:11 AM
Say,does anyone know what the first moves ever created for both Pairs and Ice-Dance were? The ones the very first Team in both did?

overedge
05-12-2012, 02:14 AM
That goes back so far in history that I doubt there is any record of it.

Vagabond
05-12-2012, 04:36 AM
This video begins with one of the pairs competing in the first Olympic figure skating competition, in London in 1908. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx8ybkfze2U&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLCDA4BDB3478C1CED

I believe that the pair are Madge and Edgar Syers, who finished third (and last). Madge won the gold medal in Ladies' singles.

DORISPULASKI
05-12-2012, 09:06 AM
In dance, a very early thing done was certainly, waltzing on ice. Jackson Haines (who was both a ballet dancer and a skater) is credited with teaching the Viennese to waltz on ice (He went to Vienna in 1864.)


He also originated the sit spin and taught the Viennese to waltz on ice to their favorite music.

http://www.icestagearchive.com/haines.html


In Vienna, the world’s “waltz capital” in the 19th century, he astutely offered instruction in waltzing on ice. Skating schools founded or inspired by Haines sprang up in numerous countries. On a journey by sled from St. Petersburg to Stockholm, he contracted pneumonia and died.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/251854/Jackson-Haines

The Polka followed soon after, I suspect, since Josef Strauss composed "Eislauf ('Ice-Skating') polka" op. 261 (1869)


The idea of associating dance and ice is an old one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Patineurs_(ballet)

In 1849 Paul Taglioni composed a ballet "Les Plaisirs de l'Hiver, ou Les Patineurs"

Ice dance did not have a world championships until 1952 and was not included in the Olympics until 1976.

There were competitions held before that. I see that the Lake Placid Ice Dance Competition is celebrating its 80th year this year.

www.ice-dance.com


RETRO EVENT: In honor of the 80th Celebration an Open 14-Step Retro Championship of North America will be held. This is an open event and all couples skate individually to the 14 Step as drawn in the U.S. Figure Skating Tests Book, which is where the pattern dances are now listed. For the final round, only the top four couples advance. Additional information is available in the 2012 LPIDC announcement.

From the LPIDC announcement


OPEN 14 STEP RETRO CHAMPIONSHIP OF NORTH AMERICA
*In honor of the 80th Celebration
Eligibility: Open
Initial Round: All couples skate individually to the 14 Step as drawn in the U.S. Figure
Skating Tests Book, which is where the pattern dances are now listed.

Final Round: Top 4 couples ONLY will advance. Those couples compete the double roll
14 Step on the ice at the same time with the following procedure –
Zamboni End Team 1 Start after 4 beats
Lobby End Team 1 Start after 4 beats
Zamboni End Team 2 Start after 16 beats
Lobby End Team 2 Start after 16 beats
4 patterns will be skated. Introduction must be: left (2 beats), right (2 beats), left (2
beats), right (2 beats), progressive, ladies three turn. ISU introductory rule is NOT in
effect for the final. No additional choreography permitted for final. Teams will end after
their four patterns are completed. There will be a .2 deduction for interference with
teams still skating.

So all teams skate at the same time :eek: like old style public sessions. :cool:

From their reference on the Fourteen Step:


Inventor - Franz Scholler
First performance - in Vienna, 1889, as the Ten Step or Scholler March


Here's what the steps were:
http://www.ice-dance.com/images/stories/pdf/compulsory/Fourteenstep.pdf

They include open mohawks, progressives, and swing rolls.

Here it is, skated by a very young Virtue & Moir, with instruction by, I believe, Usova & Zhulin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNAe5kysRiY&feature=relmfu

The European Waltz is nearly as old. www.ice-dance.com lists it as being invented prior to 1900.

http://www.ice-dance.com/images/stories/pdf/compulsory/EuropeanWaltz.pdf

It includes left and right forward outside three turns,

Here's the European Waltz with a very young Virtue & Moir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvncVAD4MY8&feature=related

The Kilian is quite old

http://www.ice-dance.com/images/stories/pdf/compulsory/Kilian.pdf


Inventor - Karl Schreiter
First Performance - Vienna, Engelmann Ice Rink, 1909

It includes steps which constitute an open choctaw, and crossrolls.

Usova & Zhulin did an instructional video of the Kilian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNAe5kysRiY&feature=relmfu

Bestemianova & Bukin skate the Killian at the 1988 Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E6S5x_5eOY

Other currently done pattern dances originated in the 1930's or later.

PeterG
08-16-2012, 07:55 PM
Am I remembering correctly that the first ice skates were actually animal bones tied to one's feet? I'm guessing these skates were made for transportation, but people realized that it could be for fun as well. Makes me wonder what kind of tricks they were able to perform with that type of skate! :eek:

DORISPULASKI
08-16-2012, 09:56 PM
While not "animal bone" skates, you could do the waltz, and you could do a "grapevine", a two footed set of moves.

Here's closeup on roller skates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhXDJ4htrI4

You can see Brian Boitano doing a fancy take on one in his Les Patineurs SP 1988

It is deliberately supposed to have a 19th, if not 18th, century feel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me0RvshG1pY&feature=player_detailpage#t=90s

His whole outfit and the cross armed poses are a take on this painting of

Reverend Robert Walker (1755 - 1808) Skating on Duddingston Loch about 1795
You'll note that his skates are strapped on to his boots.

http://www.builth-hs.co.uk/e2603.html