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05-12-2012, 06:48 AM
I am so surprised Butyrskaya is getting so many votes... Her jumps were always quite low and more often than not, she came out of her jumps with very stiff knees...

Butyrskaya is not on this list.

05-12-2012, 08:09 AM
Butyrskaya is not on this list.

But she is getting lots of praise which has me totally :confused:. To me it's like saying Lambiel had a consistent triple axel. Just my opinion though.

05-12-2012, 08:13 AM
Maria had a good outside edge on her lutz, with so many flutzs out there I can see how Maria's is appreciated.

05-12-2012, 05:45 PM
^But I think trying to put her on the list over some of the other skaters on the list are kind of :confused:.

05-12-2012, 05:45 PM
Butyrskaya is not on this list.

I meant all the praise that she's been getting on this thread.

05-12-2012, 09:28 PM
I agree that Maria should be at the top of the best 3lutz list - fantastic outside edge, good heighth/distance and solid landings (generally):

Look at the slow motion from ABC at the 00 Europeans FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUTmVbu3u5A&t=8m48s)

00 Worlds SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVt3I4IL18s&t=3m30s)

00 Worlds FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6J01LIzK0k&t=0m37s)

'99 Worlds FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvVzNZNE4E&t=0m27s)

00 Lalique SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Zjbv25UxU&t=4m6s)

05-12-2012, 09:47 PM
A lot of those ladies on the list have very high 3 lutzes, but few have good flow out (i.e. Volchkova didn't).

All things considered (speed going in, steps going in, technique, edge, air position, landing, runout, steps going out, etc), Kim really has the best 3lutz. Just watch the second 3lutz at the Vancouver Games. This fan cam gives great perspective on the speed in, size and flow out of that jump: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxwY2nSI59k The whole set up starts at 2:40 with the change in direction and watch out especially for the exquisite control on the landing.

Baiul, Butyrskaya, Arakawa, Ando and Gold all deserve honourable mentions (of the few times Baiul landed hers anyways).

Harding had great 3lutzes too, but sometimes the landings could look quite heavy. Sometimes Ito's looked a little out of control on the landing and like she had to step out of it. In any event the wrap would in my opinion preclude it from being "the best".

05-12-2012, 09:56 PM
While slightly telegraphed I adore this Lutz by Kostner at Worlds 2007 SP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XX1kxQLMsw&sns=em (about 47s in). I love the speed and flow out.

05-12-2012, 11:45 PM
From those listed I voted for Viktoria Volchkova, mostly because I’ve seen her doing one live and the difference in quality to the other skaters was outstanding. If you look at Korobeynikova, VV is obviously a coach who can pass on her technique to her students. :)

However, I’m :wideeyes: on Szewczenko’s Lutz. Thank you all for linking all those great programmes.

05-13-2012, 01:15 AM
Malininininininininina! :)

Triple Butz
05-13-2012, 01:42 AM
I agree that Maria should be at the top of the best 3lutz list - fantastic outside edge, good heighth/distance and solid landings (generally):

When she hit a good one, I agree her lutz was above average. Still, it just lacks the WOW factor for me. Her air position is just the tiniest bit tilted, and the way she opens her arms before the landing sometimes looks a bit out of control.

Aussie Willy
05-13-2012, 01:46 AM
Malininininininininina! :)

She is used on the ISU jumps videos as a demonstration of jump technique on many of the jumps, including the lutz.

05-13-2012, 04:38 AM
When she lands it, Cynthia Phaneuf's 3lz is simply stunning
2004 Skate Canada (http://youtu.be/KLKQksVdcLI?t=57s)
2010 Canadians (http://youtu.be/GuBxfFZTHNk?t=1m23s)
2010 Olympics (http://youtu.be/vTwqoIoSg2Q?t=1m19s)
2010 Skate Canada (http://youtu.be/ywvqHmOpmsE?t=1m12s)
2012 Canadians (http://youtu.be/h9cKTfVQFyg?t=1m13s)

05-13-2012, 06:20 PM
Definitely, Yuna Kim.

When I first saw this, I just said "Oh my god!! :eek:" out loud.


05-13-2012, 07:05 PM
One thing that I find surprising about Kim and Yamaguchi, although Kim's are way better quality than Kristi's jumps, is how both are much stronger toe jumpers than edge jumpers. Granted both have only one really weak edge jump (salchow for Yamaguchi, loop for Kim). Still it interesting to note about both.