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falling_dance
05-03-2012, 03:54 PM
Because it's the off-season:

Peggy Fleming, 1968 US Nationals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdPKgg8SGys)

or

Janet Lynn, 1972 US Nationals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAx6VeScsg)?

I'm just interested to see how others vote and in reading what people here have to say. I will say that this is one of those instances in which my viewing taste diverges from my critical judgment; the latter says Lynn but I vote for Fleming on account of the former.

briancoogaert
05-03-2012, 04:06 PM
I voted for Janet Lynn because she has everything I like : powerful but elegant, technique and artistry, interpretation, freedom...

olympic
05-03-2012, 05:59 PM
What exactly was Lynn's problem with the figures? She had such nice edges free-skating. Was it nerves?

Jammers
05-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Michelle Kwan 1979??

falling_dance
05-03-2012, 10:25 PM
Michelle Kwan 1979??

You don't remember?! The mylar space suit and helmet? The three false endings? Kwan and Carroll wrapped in multicolored furs and chain-smoking in the Kiss and Cry? Chris Schenkel and Dick Button arguing over whether the program was inspired by 2001 or the then upcoming release of Alien? The ponderous sarcasm in later accounts of it?

The late Seventies. Those were the days!

aftershocks
05-03-2012, 10:28 PM
Well, at least I know the answer to option #4 ;)

Can't choose between these ladies. All I know is, all three are inspirational! Figure skating wouldn't hold as many lovely memories as it does for me without 'em.

skatesindreams
05-03-2012, 10:41 PM
What exactly was Lynn's problem with the figures? She had such nice edges free-skating. Was it nerves?

Anyone would have had difficulty going up against Beatrix Schuba, arguably the best tracer of figures ever.

In Sapporo there were six figures, making 60% of the total score.
http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/winter/1972/FSK/womens-singles-compulsory-figures.html

She had an insurmountable lead going into the FS

Sapporo Olympic Ladies Compulsory Figure - Trixi/Janet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTDLjhTUMbA

aliceanne
05-04-2012, 01:30 AM
What exactly was Lynn's problem with the figures? She had such nice edges free-skating. Was it nerves?

She said it was the figures that held her back at 72 Worlds, not the mistakes she made in the short program. She said she missed the loop on her loop and did a fish (a very tiny misshapen loop) instead.

Figures take a lot of patience, and you have to press hard to complete the turns as there is no stroking going into them. A totally different skill than freeskating. Freeskaters often jump their turns when doing fast footwork.

Jammers
05-04-2012, 04:58 PM
Thank God they got rid of the figures. Schuba looked and skated like a truck driver in the LP in Sapporo. No elegance at all.

pollyanna
05-04-2012, 05:52 PM
She said it was the figures that held her back at 72 Worlds, not the mistakes she made in the short program. She said she missed the loop on her loop and did a fish (a very tiny misshapen loop) instead.

Actually there was no short program in 1972. Short programs did not begin until 1973. :)

I loved Janet Lynn's 1972 Nationals, but her 1973 Nationals is one of my favorite skating performances of all time. Her musical interpretation of the Debussy/Ravel music was simply sublime. I also loved her 1970 Nationals performance.

Much as I love Peggy Fleming's skating, Janet will always win over her and any other female skater, with the exception of Midori Ito, because for me, Janet Lynn's skating was magical.

Vash01
05-04-2012, 06:01 PM
Michelle Kwan skated in 1979???

I voted for her anyway. :lol:

Mafke
05-04-2012, 06:39 PM
What exactly was Lynn's problem with the figures? She had such nice edges free-skating. Was it nerves?

I've read different things including that she could do beautiful figures in practice but tended to crumple in competition (which also affected her free-skating though not as much).

But even if her figures were much better there was still no way to catch Schuba, she would just be more competitive with Karen Magnussen for silver.

I think that if Schuba hadn't existed Lynn's relatively weak mental game would have kept her from the olympic and world gold. But people wouldn't have minded her losing gold to Magnussen who was an excellent free skater too or maybe even Julie Lynn Holmes, who was a little tame as a free skater but very photogenic.

One thing people forget is that Peggy Fleming had a commanding lead after figures in 1968 at Grenoble. She was good enough in the free to place first but it didn't matter. Even if she placed third in the free skating behind Seyfert and Maskova (both more interesting free skaters than Fleming in her eligible days imho) she still would have won easily.

judgejudy27
05-04-2012, 08:24 PM
I personally find Peggy Fleming one of the most overrated skaters ever. She used the same long program almost her whole career which I found somewhat tacky, her spins barely have any revolutions, and her overall skating just lacked command, power, and panache for me. Plus her Olympic winning LP was majorly lame. I love her as a commentator and representative of the sport much more than as a skater. Actually the show skating I saw her do as an older women later on was much more appealing to me than her amateur skating ever was.

Janet Lynn by a landslide for me.

skatesindreams
05-04-2012, 08:47 PM
In 1968 figures made up 60% of the total score.
With enough of a lead, which Peggy had, she won despite her lackluster FS.

Details, including scores, here:
http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/winter/1968/FSK/womens-singles-compulsory-figures.html

Use the drop-down menu for information on the free skate.

aftershocks
05-04-2012, 09:09 PM
I personally find Peggy Fleming one of the most overrated skaters ever. She used the same long program almost her whole career which I found somewhat tacky, her spins barely have any revolutions, and her overall skating just lacked command, power, and panache for me. Plus her Olympic winning LP was majorly lame. I love her as a commentator and representative of the sport much more than as a skater. Actually the show skating I saw her do as an older women later on was much more appealing to me than her amateur skating ever was.

Janet Lynn by a landslide for me.

Come on, you may think Peggy was "overrated," but if you are not looking at her career within the context of the era in which she skated, IMO, you are underrating her skating and her accomplishments.