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euterpe
05-04-2012, 06:08 PM
Joannie has competed in the Japan Open every year since the Olympics. She has placed at or near the top at all times. She didn't have her lutz or triple-triple sequence but I don't think both are far from her arsenal as they were always fairly consistent. I've always thought it was unfortunate that Joannie stepped out of the competitive limelight because the new rules (the triple toe half loop triple salchow counting as a three jump combination) really work for her. Plus, look at the technical deficiencies of Kostner and Asada now and how she has the same tech content as Ando but IMO much better PCS, and she really could have been world champ the last two worlds. Canada's chance at gold in the team competition is bleak, unless she is on it. With her on it we have two gold medal potentials (V&M, Chan), Joannie (not definite medalist even if she regains her tech d/t upcoming Russians, but potential) and a solid top five-ten pairs team.

There is a BIG, BIG difference between skating a FS in the Japanese Open and doing TWO SPs and TWO FSs at the Olympics.

Jammers
05-04-2012, 11:39 PM
The only thing that I have a slight issue with is that Joannie will be waiting until the last minute to begin competing again at a super high level. I think that philosophy is what costed Sasha a spot on the 2010 olympic team. Granted Sasha waited until nationals to compete Joannie might want to reconsider. Her talent and skill set are not in question but rather her nerves in big The only thing that I have a slight issue with is that Joannie will be waiting until the last minute to begin competing again at a super high level. I think that philosophy is what cost Sasha a spot on the 2010 Olympic team. Granted Sasha waited until nationals to compete Joannie might want to reconsider. Her talent and skill set are not in question but rather her nerves in big events. With the exception of G&G, there are not too many ex Olympic medalists who have toured for 3 years and came back to the top of their game. Also, Joannie medaled in Vancouver but was not without fault. We shall see though

Either way i would like to see her back another year but i think she owes it to herself not to wait until the Olympic season to enter competition again.
events.

Joannie has the advantage of not facing nearly as tough competition as Sasha did at US Nats 2010 even without the US having dominate skaters.

MR-FAN
05-04-2012, 11:51 PM
I LOOOVVEEE Joannie and would love the excitement her return would bring to the ladies field!!!!

I'm sure this has been posted somewhere, but here is a recent video interview with Joannie and PJ Kwong re. Her possible return and the state of ladies skating in Canada (boy is she gorgeous! Like fine wine :swoon: )

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lEDs6BtugGY

victorskid
05-04-2012, 11:58 PM
This might be a better link for the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEDs6BtugGY

Really
05-05-2012, 04:39 AM
I would love to see Joannie come back to competitive skating, but only if that's what she really wants to do.

RumbleFish
05-05-2012, 07:33 AM
I don't know whether she will medal in Sochi, but one thing for sure, she will be more competitive than Asada and Kostner.

seabm7
05-05-2012, 08:00 AM
(although I know Yu-Na has bumped Min-Jeong Kwak like this before).

Are you talking about the championship title at the Korean national or a spot in the World championships? It's true that Yu-Na didn't compete at the Korean Nationals for several years. However, her placement at the World brought two spots to Korea for the 2008-2012 seasons. IIRC, Min-Jeong Kwak never missed a senior-level ISU championships so far. :)

npavel
05-05-2012, 01:46 PM
I don't know whether she will medal in Sochi, but one thing for sure, she will be more competitive than Asada and Kostner.

I'm not so sure. I always enjoyed Rochette, I think she is in the same league as Kostner and Asada. On each day every one can defeat the other one, so it is which one has better nerves in the moment. Kostner has defeated her many times, and while Rochette had her best years in 2009 and 2010, and that is were Kostners worst years, now Kostner has turned consistent and Rochette hasn't competed since. No idea where she would be now. :)

RumbleFish
05-05-2012, 01:58 PM
I'm not so sure. I always enjoyed Rochette, I think she is in the same league as Kostner and Asada. On each day every one can defeat the other one, so it is which one has better nerves in the moment. Kostner has defeated her many times, and while Rochette had her best years in 2009 and 2010, and that is were Kostners worst years, now Kostner has turned consistent and Rochette hasn't competed since. No idea where she would be now. :)

Like others have posted above, Rochette has competed in Japan Open. AFAIK, she has skated pretty well in those events and has shown that she has kept in shape.

Kostner, on the otherhand, has watered down her technical content considerably these couple of years.

If Rochette can bring her strengths, i.e. rare ability to land all 5 types of triples and her 3T-half loop-3S combo, she will have the edge over Kostner with out the lutz.

As for PCS, I would have them evenly matched. They both have excellent skating skills and capable of performing to music.

Proustable
05-05-2012, 02:00 PM
1. Canada has one spot next year at Worlds.

2. The Olympic spots are given first to the nations with two or three spots, and then the remainder are decided at a designated senior B, right? I believe it was Nebelhorn before Vancouver.

3. So if the Canadian lady at Worlds 2013 is outside the top ten, Canada doesn't have a guaranteed spot at the Olympics. However, one of the rules with regards to the team event is that a qualifying nation is allowed to submit one entry should they not qualify in singles, if I understand it.

Should be interesting next season.

npavel
05-05-2012, 03:29 PM
Like others have posted above, Rochette has competed in Japan Open. AFAIK, she has skated pretty well in those events and has shown that she has kept in shape.

Kostner, on the otherhand, has watered down her technical content considerably these couple of years.

If Rochette can bring her strengths, i.e. rare ability to land all 5 types of triples and her 3T-half loop-3S combo, she will have the edge over Kostner with out the lutz.

As for PCS, I would have them evenly matched. They both have excellent skating skills and capable of performing to music.

from Japan Open: Rochette FS TES score 50.74 PCS 62.00 Tot 112.74 in the free skate, witch is lower than all Kostners FS this year. And Japan Open isn't the same as GP or 4CC or Worlds. Nevertheless I would like Rochette to came back, just not expecting her to automatically be on the podium
Carolina has done a lot of lutzes last season, but she opted not to include them in her competition program. Witch doesn't mean she wouldn't do it in future

Triple Butz
05-05-2012, 04:15 PM
I know she was dealing with a lot after the Olympics and probably made the right decisions for herself, but part of me wishes she would have stayed in and nabbed a world title. The performances we've seen at the last two WC could have been easily beaten by a solid Joannie IMO. Whatever she decides, I wish her the best and if she comes back I will enjoy watching her no matter where she places.

euterpe
05-05-2012, 09:41 PM
1. Canada has one spot next year at Worlds.

2. The Olympic spots are given first to the nations with two or three spots, and then the remainder are decided at a designated senior B, right? I believe it was Nebelhorn before Vancouver.

3. So if the Canadian lady at Worlds 2013 is outside the top ten, Canada doesn't have a guaranteed spot at the Olympics. However, one of the rules with regards to the team event is that a qualifying nation is allowed to submit one entry should they not qualify in singles, if I understand it.



So then Rochette would probably prefer that Canada doesn't qualify a lady for Sochi at Nebelhorn (or whatever the qualifying event turns out to be). That way, she would have to do only the team event and not singles.

I wonder how Skate Canada would look at it: would they be willing to have NO lady in the singles event in order to get Rochette for the team event?

screech
05-06-2012, 04:50 AM
Who would be her coach, since IIRC her coach is now somewhat retired and instead focusing on a position with Skate Canada?

kwanfan1818
05-06-2012, 09:10 AM
There is ONE spot for ladies in the team event. One man, one woman, one pair, one dance team.
That is not the case. A country can substitute up to two skaters/teams for the FS/FD, if they qualify more than one in the discipline for individual events.


So then Rochette would probably prefer that Canada doesn't qualify a lady for Sochi at Nebelhorn (or whatever the qualifying event turns out to be). That way, she would have to do only the team event and not singles.

I wonder how Skate Canada would look at it: would they be willing to have NO lady in the singles event in order to get Rochette for the team event?
I'm sure Rochette would prefer a scenario where she only did the team event, but considering that for 2010, Ladies placing 1-21* in LA qualified, it would take a pretty big meltdown for Canada not to qualify a single Ladies skater in London. Even had Russia #3 and USA #2 placed above her, Lacoste still would have made it this year. I don't think Skate Canada would remain credible if they didn't have a Ladies competitor at London.

*Men up to 23rd place, Pairs up to 13th place, and Dance up to 17th place qualified at LA (Comm. 1568). Georgia didn't use its second Ladies spot, and there was an extra qualifier spot at Nebelhorn.