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skateboy
04-22-2012, 09:01 PM
Just curious:

How much does a skater's personality (or persona) have to do with your being a fan? Can you separate the skating from what you may think of them personally?

I'll fess up, I've been turned off to certain skaters strictly based on their personas (although I truly try to rate their skating on just the skating).

Katarzyna
04-22-2012, 09:16 PM
I think itís just easier to be or remain a fan of someone, who is a great skater, but also has a lovely personality. For me it would be hard to root for someone who is a complete A$$ (exaggerated example of course), even if the skating was great. Personally in such a case I would still respect and appreciate the skating, but wouldnít cheer for that athlete. On the other hand Iíd never become a fan of a skater based only on his/her personality.

Itís just very nice if great skating comes along with great personality, even more as highly decorated athletes are role models for younger ones. :)

Macassar88
04-22-2012, 09:20 PM
A lot of it is based on aesthetic appeal as well. I don't think that Brian Joubert would have such a huge fan base if he weren't so damn gorgeous.

martyross
04-22-2012, 09:23 PM
Subjective fandom is based on self-identification in skaters' attitude and/or nationality. Sometimes you need someone to love in your life. But it can prevent from appreciating good qualities in other ones. The logic way is to consider the athletes as human beings like us, and focus on what they actually produce on the ice. Simple as.

Katarzyna
04-22-2012, 10:01 PM
I donít think itís that simple. If it goes into the direction that fandom is only or mostly related to personality or looks, then you choose the right word for it Ė itís subjective fandom and probably the motivation for it to a very high level is not correlating with love for figure skating. ;)

However, we all have personal values we adhere to, and I simply canít imagine myself enjoying a skater who for example numerous times made racist statements towards others. :angryfire

And given the fact that most people have similar values which they deem to be good, if performances are equally good, youíd rather like to see the good and fair ones winning. I think itís a natural feeling ("Good beats bad one" - Hollywood makes a living out of it! :D).

So if you take the very negative aspect, i.e. a skater is behaving very unethical, it's probably rather logical that he will not have many fans (think e.g. of Tonya Harding).

However, the very critical thing about this is that our opinion on the athletes is mostly generated by the media, messages boards :P and short personal observations during competitions. :shuffle:

BTW - great topic! :)

martyross
04-22-2012, 10:11 PM
However, we all have personal values we adhere to, and I simply canít imagine myself enjoying a skater who for example numerous times made racist statements towards others. :angryfire

it's the eternal dilemma of "separating the man from his artistic/athletic achievements". i used to be a champion in "not separating them" (especially with celebrities who get charged of tax evasion :D ), then eventually changed my mind :P but yea, it's a complicated issue.

sequins
04-22-2012, 10:33 PM
I think I have to like a skater personally to be a fan. I can certainly handle it if they aren't 'perfect' (who is) but as long as they aren't a complete ass and aren't mean. I know some people complain about certain athletes 'arrogance' as a reason they hate them but I've always believed you sometimes need a bit of that to succeed. It can be a cold, brutal world as an athlete and you need to be able to believe in yourself and let the crap people say role off you or it can ruin you in more ways than one. I can also certainly appreciate someones talent and not like them as a person but I can't root for them or really enjoy what they do.

aliceanne
04-22-2012, 10:37 PM
Talking about tax evasion makes me think of Gary Beacom, yes I'm still a fan. Tonya Harding? I wasn't a great fan to begin with. I prefer voidy skaters over the classicists, and skaters who skate with abandon over technicians. I don't care if they are likable or PC as long as they are committed to their skating.

The skaters who can't make up their mind whether they want to compete or not turn me off the most.

gkelly
04-22-2012, 10:39 PM
I started out being a fan of skaters whose skating projected an image I enjoyed identifying with or that I found especially interesting artistically or especially beautiful or heartfelt.

Since one of the above was Tonya Harding, I soon learned to separate the skating and the on-ice persona from the off-ice personality.

As I learned more about skating, I came to enjoy what the skaters did with their blades as much or moreso than what they did with their above-the-knee artistry, althoughI still enjoy that as well.

Really, I root for all skaters to do well. If I don't yet find them interesting, I root for them to become so. :)

Aussie Willy
04-22-2012, 11:08 PM
I look at the skating first and foremost. They have to be good skaters. Then the use and interpretion of the music. And then do something original and different I am for that as well and can appreciate it.

So if the skater does a program that really works for me, then I am a fan.

Although if you wear over the boot tights and have a horrible leg line, it can turn me off. And be an arrogant shit on the ice (eg Plushenko and Amodio) that can also turn me off.

Cloudy_Gumdrops
04-22-2012, 11:34 PM
It's all skating for me. Okay, maybe not 100%. I'll admit that good looks certainly help.

What a skater does in their personal life doesn't matter as long as they're not murdering anyone. Whether that skater is a complete bastard in real life means nothing. I can easily keep enjoying their skating as long as they keep putting out something I like.

mia joy
04-23-2012, 12:02 AM
I think if we talk ubers (or not ubers but really hardcore fans), skating comes first. You have to love somebody's skating to uber them, otherwise there is no point.

However, personality does play a huge part as well. My example is Carolina Kostner - I used to love her and her skating and cheer for her to win everytime I saw her, but then one time I saw her in person and she acted beyond weird towards me. She lost me as a fan the same second.
On the other hand, I LOVE Alban Preaubert only because of his personality, cause his skating quality was, you know, not the best out there. Personality is a huge factor when it comes to my love to the Kerrs as well - I mean, I loved their skating too, but it was their personality that made me a truly devoted fan.

But when it comes to ubering - and over the years I think I've only ubered Drobiazko/Vanagas and Davis/White - you have to love both the skating and the personality.

Another thing is that usually a skater's personality affects their skating, so it's hard to separate these things like that.

Also, there is one exception from everything I said here and it's Yagudin. I don't care if he's arrogant and hides in a bus so he doesn't have to sign autographs (that happened to me), he is a skating god for me and I worship him. I really couldn't care less about his personality.

martyross
04-23-2012, 12:06 AM
However, personality does play a huge part as well. My example is Carolina Kostner - I used to love her and her skating and cheer for her to win everytime I saw her, but then one time I saw her in person and she acted beyond weird towards me.

you made me curious with this but it's ok if you don't wish sharing details.
Yagudin (seems) arrogant? well, i'm weird, but it just makes him hotter :swoon:

btw, i think that in many cases in life, especially when you don't know well someone, it's always better to say "that guy acted arrogantly" rather than "he's arrogant". even a wonderful person can look hateful in bad moments.

Nomad
04-23-2012, 12:30 AM
For me, on-ice persona comes into play. I never liked Totmianina/Marinin because she seemed so cold and he wasn't exactly a poster-boy for expressive, either. On the flip side there's Leonova. I know she's not the best skater out there but she enjoys performing and really tries to sell her programs, and I like that. As for their off-ice personalities, well, I don't know any skater personally, so I don't really take that into consideration. Suzuki could be a snotty bitch IRL and I'd still enjoy watching her skate. (Although, for the record, I'm sure she's anything but.)

TheGirlCanSkate
04-23-2012, 12:49 AM
I'm new to being a skating fan but it's fun to watch fandom though my skater. She loves skaters she has met and seen live who were nice and then she loves reading their bio's /blogs and the ones who have similar interests float to the top. She can tell you which skater loves golf or chess or tennis and the ones who love math and science - who has had a bird as a pet and who can't have a pet. From there she loves their skills. :P Very much a young fan!