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blue_idealist
04-23-2012, 12:59 AM
A lot of it is based on aesthetic appeal as well. I don't think that Brian Joubert would have such a huge fan base if he weren't so damn gorgeous.

I saw a picture of Brian Joubert naked on google images last night, but I'm not sure if it's really him, or if someone just photoshopped his head onto a naked body.

Kasey
04-23-2012, 01:23 AM
Much of the time, it is the strictly skating for me. But if at some point I've met a skater, and find them to be a nice and decent human being, that will make me a full-on fan, even if their skating is second tier or below. If I've met one that come across as obnoxious, or hear of other people who's opinion I trust negative experiences with said skater, it will sometimes influence my like or dislike of their skating, as prejudicial as that may be. I try to base my thoughts at least on personal experience, and not based on public interviews or such, which can be influenced by cultural differences, etc. But no matter how great their skating, it is somewhat hard for me to enjoy watching someone I perceive to be a jackass.

BigB08822
04-23-2012, 01:39 AM
I saw a picture of Brian Joubert naked on google images last night, but I'm not sure if it's really him, or if someone just photoshopped his head onto a naked body.

I am pretty sure it is a fake, I never remember hearing about any photos or him posing. I am off to look though, fun to pretend!

Oh wait, unless you are talking about the photos of him where you can see like half his butt cheek? Those are real. I was thinking full frontal..or more like wishing. :shuffle:

Bournekraatzfan
04-23-2012, 01:45 AM
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btw, i think that in many cases in life, especially when you don't know well someone, it's always better to say "that guy acted arrogantly" rather than "he's arrogant". even a wonderful person can look hateful in bad moments.

I think this is a really good point. We are observing these skaters under a unique set of circumstances: when they are under intense pressure, are exhausted from competing, and are meeting several people they don't know.I have said and done things I regret, and I am just lucky that I only have to answer to the people who know me well. I have a chance to apologize and make up for my mistakes. I'm also shy and socially awkward, so I know I can come off as cold in my first few interactions with a person. I have heard that Carolina is a bit shy, so maybe that is what was going on in that situation? A lot of the commentators have made a point of mentioning how sweet she is.

Sometimes a skater may say or do something that rubs me the wrong way, but I try to remember that I don't know that person nor do I know what might have motivated them to say or do what they did and also that I may just be bothered by those things for my own reasons. On the other hand, if a skater has a personality that I find endearing, then it will draw me to their skating more.

aliceanne
04-23-2012, 02:55 AM
I think this is a really good point. We are observing these skaters under a unique set of circumstances: when they are under intense pressure, are exhausted from competing, and are meeting several people they don't know.I have said and done things I regret, and I am just lucky that I only have to answer to the people who know me well. I have a chance to apologize and make up for my mistakes. I'm also shy and socially awkward, so I know I can come off as cold in my first few interactions with a person. I have heard that Carolina is a bit shy, so maybe that is what was going on in that situation? A lot of the commentators have made a point of mentioning how sweet she is.

Sometimes a skater may say or do something that rubs me the wrong way, but I try to remember that I don't know that person nor do I know what might have motivated them to say or do what they did and also that I may just be bothered by those things for my own reasons. On the other hand, if a skater
has a personality that I find endearing, then it will draw me to their skating
more.

True. There are also cultural differences to consider. I've said or done things in other countries that have raised eyebrows but were normal to me.

agalisgv
04-23-2012, 04:03 AM
JMHO, but it seems to me a good number of ubers tend to have crushes on their fav skaters. I think this is particularly the case when certain ubers become over-protective and very defensive towards their skater, and are easily offended to the point of feeling persecuted.

pinky166
04-23-2012, 04:56 AM
Definitely looks play a factor into it. Brian Joubert is the most obvious example of this, Yuna Kim as well. At JW this year, all the Belorussian girls wanted to get their picture taken with Josh Farris but there aren't nearly as many pictures of them with Jason Brown. Kiira Korpi probably wouldn't have these commercials made about her if she didn't look like Grace Kelly, the examples go on...

I think good skating, good looks, and a unique/fun personality will get skaters the most fans, although any combination of these traits will likely lead to at least some semblence of a fan base.

shine
04-23-2012, 05:08 AM
I tend to become fans of skaters who I perceive to be artists, or those who skate with emotions and vision. And for those skaters, a lot of of the times their personality/thoughts are reflected in the skating. I believe that true artists cannot really seperate personal life from their works. Afterall, art is a form of expression. No one is perfect, but I don't believe anyone can be true jackasses and still be able to produce something as beautiful as they do on the ice.

AndyWarhol
04-23-2012, 05:11 AM
There are a few things i look for in skaters.

1) Asthetics. Their skating has to be pleasing for me to watch, as does their packaging (dress hair etc). I can't stand a non pointed toe, or bad free leg on the layback. Skaters who are slow, have hideous technique also displease me.

2) Personality, if someone has a great office personality also, then i tend to like them. I like skaters to show personality, so, even if they come accross as bratty, or a bit of a headcase, i will like them..

3) The underdog.


i guess its a bit of a mix bag... of current skaters i like Mao, Alissa, Kanako, Elizaveta, Mirai.. i guesss they all share some traits, although, they are all a bit different.

misskarne
04-23-2012, 07:48 AM
I'm a bit all over the shop. The skating, first and foremost, has to catch my eye. From there, it's a kind of jumble:

1) On-ice personality: This is how Plushenko grabbed me after I noticed the skating. He genuinely looked like he was enjoying himself.

2) Strength and courage: I am innately drawn to skaters/drivers/people who have an element of hard luck in them. Yes, that's probably cheesy. But you know, look at all the things that have happened to Plushenko over the course of his life, so much of it when he was still a child, and yet he kept fighting and overcame it. That sort of thing makes me respect a person. Josh Farris and the Horror Nationals. I mean, the kid skated on a broken leg. How can you NOT respect that?

3) Hard work and perseverance: Saw an interview with Jason Brown where he was sounding frustrated but still hopeful about the 3A. Lesser men might have given up by now and decided "Well my artistry/flow/spins/footwork etc are to die for, I'll focus on those as the point-spinners instead". Plushenko comes back - and adds new elements to his repertoire. You know the thing.

By the same token, I loathe skaters who claim to "work harder than any other skater in the world". EVERY skater at EVERY level works hard on their skating. Yes, I'm looking at you, Mr Lysacek.

4) The Intangible - Artur, Artur, Artur, where do you come into all of this? Intangibly. If you asked me what made me start liking Artur, I honestly couldn't tell you. The skating, of course. The lovely fluid lines. Maybe at the end of the day what it comes down to is that I feel so desperately sorry for him because every time he skates he gets this horrible haunted look. Although not so much this season. Maybe that's it - he wears his heart on his sleeve. His expression just about broke my heart at Worlds.

At the end of the day, I think too, I won't like a skater because someone tells me to. That really ANNOYS me on a huge scale. In fact, a skater that gets shoved in my face and I'm told is OMG NEXT HUGE THING is likely to earn dislike before like.

When I started watching figure skating, I bemoaned that for all my favourites I had chosen skaters who were retired (Ilia, Alexei, Sasha Abt) or who were likely to retire in the not-so-distant future (Zhenya). I worried about who I would watch and go for without him. Then I stumbled into liking Artur without even knowing it. A friend showed me Joshua Farris, not because she wanted me to like him but because she wanted me to commentate for her on his program and explain what I thought of it. I was only halfway through before I was in love! Joshua and Jason turn up in each others' recommendation lists on Youtube so it wasn't long before I found Jason, too. Accidental favourites are the best favourites.


......oh yeah, and I guess they're all pretty good-looking too. That is ENTIRELY a coincidence. Artur has done the traditional Russian man thing and gone from geeky awkward lanky to OMG HELLO :swoon:, Joshua is gorgeous and Jason is plain adorable. Every time he grins I grin too. Plus, er...wearing glasses myself, I automatically gravitate towards athletes who wear them. Most of the time.


Please excuse stream-of-consciousness post.

Polymer Bob
04-23-2012, 08:10 AM
"Is fandom based strictly on skating?"

I can tell you conclusively, ..... absolutely NOT. :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csmOPYJii7g

Jaana
04-23-2012, 11:20 AM
A lot of it is based on aesthetic appeal as well. I don't think that Brian Joubert would have such a huge fan base if he weren't so damn gorgeous.

Well, I have understood that Plushenko as well as Yagudin have huge fan bases... Also Elvis Stojko had lots and lots of fans, I believe..

mia joy
04-23-2012, 12:19 PM
Yagudin (seems) arrogant? well, i'm weird, but it just makes him hotter :swoon:

Perhaps it does :lol: I really don't care if he acts arrogantly. His skating is enough for me to forgive him for everything ;)


btw, i think that in many cases in life, especially when you don't know well someone, it's always better to say "that guy acted arrogantly" rather than "he's arrogant". even a wonderful person can look hateful in bad moments.

Agreed, sorry for not being clear before. Of course everything I've been discussing are my impressions of skaters, not facts.



Sometimes a skater may say or do something that rubs me the wrong way, but I try to remember that I don't know that person nor do I know what might have motivated them to say or do what they did and also that I may just be bothered by those things for my own reasons.

I think I'm just not that understanding, maybe because they (top class skaters) have the life I can be nothing but envious of and despite all exhaustement or pressure or the fact everyone can just have a bad day, most of them act really great towards fans. Some of them just don't and they stand out because the majority is so great to be around. Plus, it's really not that hard to smile to a fan who tells you they love you.

Also, I don't care what motives he has to act like he does, but after this season there is no way I could ever be a fan of Scott Moir (ok, I'd probably never be a fan of them anyway, cause I simply don't like their skating, but there is something about Scott that annoys the hell out of me) and I'm genuinely astonished so many people can.

martyross
04-23-2012, 12:32 PM
Also, I don't care what motives he has to act like he does, but after this season there is no way I could ever be a fan of Scott Moir (ok, I'd probably never be a fan of them anyway, cause I simply don't like their skating, but there is something about Scott that annoys the hell out of me) and I'm genuinely astonished so many people can. i used to feel like this too toward a couple of skaters once. and i have no big empathy for Meryl Davis, but i respect the hard work and the commitment in anyone, and i can appreciate and enjoy DW skating if i find they do something remarkable. maybe if you try to focus on what Scott does on the ice, you'll be able to enjoy watching them,one day. :)

spikydurian
04-23-2012, 02:06 PM
How much does a skater's personality (or persona) have to do with your being a fan? Can you separate the skating from what you may think of them personally?
Personally, it is always the amazing SKILLS which the person posses which will make me sit up and take notice (the WOW factor) in the very first instance. If this person has a persona and looks to match, certainly it will be a plus point though I am unlikely to watch further if it’s the other way round.
Yes, I can separate the skating from what I think of them separately ie. they may come across as an *&^#hole in the media, but if they possess amazing skills, I can still think of them highly in terms of these skills. Eg. Plushy tends to attract both criticisms and praise. I am not a personal fan of his but this does not prevent me from enjoying and acknowledging his amazing jumping skills and tenacity, and being a formidable competitor. I may have my favourites, but like in other sports, my thinking is ‘may the best win’.


Is fandom based solely on skating?
No. In my personal opinion, the type of fandom correlates to gender, age, personality, culture, upbringing, environment and thought-process. I think females tend to be more attracted to stylistic and non-aggressive sport like figure skating, and males the non-stylistic and aggressive sports. Culture will affect how fans behaved collectively as audience in a sport competition. Personality and thought-process on how individuals relate and react to the individual sportsmen/women.