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ice9
04-22-2012, 03:54 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted.

Japanese article
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20120422-00000052-mai-spo

rough translation

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Mervin Tran, a Canadian born figure skater skating Pairs with Narumi Takahashi representing Japan, is aiming to obtain Japanese citizenship, revealed on Sunday 22nd by some JSF person.

Having Vietnamese father and Cambodian mother, Tran was born in Canada and now has Canadian citizenship. "Olympic games are every athlete's goal," Tran is reported to say, "obviously we are in a very complicated situation, but we realized (from winning the bronze medal at Worlds) that we have something to contribute to Japan."

According to the JSF person, the success at Worlds has given Tran confidence to compete among the best in the world at the Olympics, and he has made up his mind on this issue. But the problem is that you have to meet strict criteria to become a Japanese citizen, including more than 5 year residency in Japan. "It's impossible for him to become a Japanese citizen in time for Sochi through the regular procedure," the JSF person says, "so we are hoping the government finds some ways to support us."
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I'm afraid it will be very very difficult (next to impossible :(), but good luck to Mervin anyway! :)

Rock2
04-22-2012, 05:00 PM
No way of knowing but I can't imagine that Japan would just bully through a citizenship in 2 years to a guy with no Japanese heritage, no history of living there and can't speak the language. I know they don't produce a lot of winter olympic medals, but I doubt the Federation would be that desperate.

If they don't go that pretty much kills Team Japan's hope for a team medal.

I love T/T, but I just have to think that their bronze was like the Dube/Davison situation in 2008. Enough teams sucked so they snuck through for their one world medal. I don't think we'll see them again on the world podium (except maybe at worlds on the Olympic year) and the JSF probably knows they are long shot...so I'm not sure they will have enough advocates to push this through.

Ziggy
04-22-2012, 05:12 PM
Tran earned Japan their first ever World championship medal in Pairs and have been earning good international results for a number of years now.

Why shouldn't he gain citizenship based on his services to Japan?

Yes, I know that this law has not been invoked in the past and it's extremely unlikely to get invoked now but why shouldn't it? *stomps his feet like a Rumpelstiltskin*


I love T/T, but I just have to think that their bronze was like the Dube/Davison situation in 2008. Enough teams sucked so they snuck through for their one world medal. I don't think we'll see them again on the world podium (except maybe at worlds on the Olympic year) and the JSF probably knows they are long shot...so I'm not sure they will have enough advocates to push this through.

Takahashi/Tran had two extremely well choreographed programs this season, both full of transitions. Probably the best programs of the season and with the exception of some of S/S' work, one of the best I have seen ever in pair skating.

Their basics are very strong, they are elegant, she hits lovely positions in the lifts, etc. etc. etc.

Yes, they aren't very consistent jumpers but if they manage to land their jumps again, they should easily medal again.

Jenna
04-22-2012, 05:13 PM
Well, there's no harm in at least trying. I highly doubt he will get it, but at least he is making the effort. Their bronze at worlds can only help them.

I really like T/T. They just need to find a way to make their jumps more consistent if they want to compete with the best on a more regular basis.

Iceman
04-22-2012, 05:21 PM
Never understand why teams like this form when they know all the hurdles that have to be overcome. If they were to marry:yikes: would he automatically become a citizen. Then they could divorce after Sochi.

carriemarie
04-22-2012, 05:22 PM
If they land the jumps/throws- They are very dangerous...better than #2 and #3 Russians, All Canadians (ironically) and Americans. They unfortunately are good for at least 3 mistakes a competition however...

carriemarie
04-22-2012, 05:27 PM
Never understand why teams like this form when they know all the hurdles that have to be overcome. If they were to marry:yikes: would he automatically become a citizen. Then they could divorce after Sochi.

I believe she is much older than she appears...am I right in saying 21? If it is really that simple a solution to just marry, I'll help plan the bachelorette!

Sylvia
04-22-2012, 05:32 PM
More about the naturalization process in Japan (from an earlier thread on this topic): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3368141&postcount=2

Vagabond
04-22-2012, 05:41 PM
Well, there's no harm in at least trying.

I don't know about that.

It creates false expectations and disappointment among less knowledgeable fans.

And if, somehow, the Diet (Japanese Parliament) did grant him citizenship, the pressure to open up citizenship to other people who have actually lived in Japan for many years but cannot meet the normal citizenship requirements (like passing a written test in Japanese) would be enormous. The problem isn't opening up citizenship, but there is something wrong about granting it only to one young man who has never lived in the country while denying it to many others who have.)

bek
04-22-2012, 05:49 PM
I don't know about that.

It creates false expectations and disappointment among less knowledgeable fans.

And if, somehow, the Diet (Japanese Parliament) did grant him citizenship, the pressure to open up citizenship to other people who have actually lived in Japan for many years but cannot meet the normal citizenship requirements (like passing a written test in Japanese) would be enormous. The problem isn't opening up citizenship, but there is something wrong about granting it only to one young man who has never lived in the country while denying it to many others who have.)

Except for the fact that the one man could potentially earn them Olympic medal (team) and perhaps even future Olympic medals in pairs, a lot of those people living in Japan can't.

To be frank I think T/T should be like give him citizenship or we will skate for Canada.

CantALoop
04-22-2012, 05:58 PM
Granted the Japanese naturalization process is difficult enough, but at this point is there even enough time to get the ball rolling for Tran?

Cherub721
04-22-2012, 06:03 PM
If they want to be sure they can go to the Olympics he should move to Japan now and start learning the language so that he can meet the requirements for 2018.

bmcg
04-22-2012, 06:04 PM
I would think their biggest selling point would be that without Tran Japan has no team for the the team event where they have a great shot at Gold. Possibility of bronze in pairs is a crapshoot and not much to bargain with. A gold in a team event would be more enticing.

Vagabond
04-22-2012, 06:12 PM
Except for the fact that the one man could potentially earn them Olympic medal (team) and perhaps even future Olympic medals in pairs, a lot of those people living in Japan can't.

Is that a meaningful distinction?

What about being integrated into Japanese society, speaking the Japanese language fluently, paying Japanese income tax, or having a Japanese spouse and children?

maggylyn
04-22-2012, 06:32 PM
If they want to be sure they can go to the Olympics he should move to Japan now and start learning the language so that he can meet the requirements for 2018.

I hope Tran is making attempts to learn Japanese. Even if he never gets citizenship, just the fact that he is representing Japan on the international stage makes it important to put in some effort to learn the language and culture.