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eleonorad
04-19-2012, 08:17 PM
oh no, it doesn't have to. I've seen the most beautiful scarfs wore as hijabs.

It's great that we get to watch figure skaters from all those countries. Diversity is a resource. Who'd have said that in 2012 a spanish boy was a contender for the medals at Euros and Worlds and an italian girl would have been world champ?

Sasha'sSpins
04-20-2012, 03:42 AM
Won't let me rep again just yet but thanks for posting this article Sylvia!

I have such great respect for females who manage to compete in sports despite cultural or religous restrictions. More power to Zahra and I wish her every success possible-and may she inspire the generation to come from her country, faith and culture. :rockstar::respec:


Does a hijab have to be black?

I don't know for sure but in countries like Saudi Arabia they seem to be all black. Perhaps it depends on the region. I could be wrong though.

Sasha'sSpins
04-20-2012, 03:50 AM
That is great news! :respec:

Great that women can skate in trousers/unitards now, nothing stopping the costumes from being 'modest'.

Theoretically a hijab should not be allowed in ISU competitions though, given it's a prop isn't it (being detachable)?
I definitely do not want to discuss the political aspects of this (that's what PI is for), just making a technical point about the rules.

Skaters never cover their heads and only used hats and similar when they were explicitly allowed to do so given the Short Dance theme.

I imagine (and hope) that no referee would actually enforce that rule against a girl who chose to skate in a hijab, though.

I don't understand - were the rules different in 1994 because Oksana Bauil definitely wore a black "Swan Lake" headpiece as a prop for her Olympic SP:

Bauil 1994 SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6zKfZVurJY

So did Katarina Witt at both the 1984 and 1988 Olympics

Witt 1984 Olympic SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhrNA8wzL8U

Witt 1988 SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9m1Z9Izcpg&feature=related

Witt 1988 LP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57R7aAY5QiM&feature=related


Good on her. We've had skaters from Iran competing at the World Roller Championships since about 2008 (I think). They also wear the hijab. They were so welcomed by the audience and other skaters it was really wonderful to see. By the end of the week these quiet very shy young girls were getting their photos taken with World Champions and were just beaming with joy. Coaches from all over the world were also introducing themselves to the Iranian coaches and giving them tips and advice. It was one of the mot memorable experiences from that week.

Again-won't let me rep again yet but thanks for sharing that wonderful story! It's quite heartwarming! :D

Andrey aka Pushkin
04-20-2012, 11:48 AM
I wonder if they can do pairs :P
Probably only if they're married or siblings. Or father-daughter.

Sylvia
04-20-2012, 04:13 PM
New article on Zahra Lari after her return home to Abu Dhabi: http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/covered-figure-skater-zahra-lari-uae-ice-421582

Zemgirl
04-20-2012, 04:54 PM
I don't see how wearing a hijab in competition would be a problem; I don't recall LÚna Marrocco (http://davecskatingphoto.com/photos/2011TEB/ladies/jse_IMG_0253.jpg) or Sara (http://www.daylife.com/photo/00iN8uy7Ec72W) Hurtado (http://www.daylife.com/photo/02L47Oe58W0up) getting into trouble for what they wore this past season, or the Zaretskis when they did that Hava Nagila OD, or Elena Ilinykh who covered her hair in the Schindler's List FD. I don't think a hijab should be any different.

I hope Zahra Lari will continue to compete internationally; I'm sure it will have been a great learning experience for her and hopefully she can improve and inspire others.

IceAlisa
04-20-2012, 05:21 PM
Perhaps, agalisgv thought about the privately owned basketball team from KSA:


Although Saudi Arabia boasts 153 official sports clubs regulated and supported by the
General Presidency for Youth Welfare (GPYW), a government agency, offering individual
and team sports, in practice these clubs remain closed to women. The female basketball
team section of Jeddah United appears to be the only exception. Jeddah United is a private
sports company not among the 153 sports clubs.
Small private initiatives to hold sporting tournaments for women and girls continue away
from the public eye, but these are tolerated rather than supported by the government. A
leading Saudi businessman, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, sponsored Saudi Arabia’s first
women’s soccer team, the Jeddah Kings, in 2009. But he abandoned the effort when media
coverage of a women’s soccer tournament that year involving the Jeddah Kings and five
other private teams caused a public backlash, with a hostile reaction to the players by
some conservative Saudis.

Thank you, Nadya for the link. (http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/saudi0212webwcover.pdf) Very informative.

modern_muslimah
04-20-2012, 10:19 PM
New article on Zahra Lari after her return home to Abu Dhabi: http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/covered-figure-skater-zahra-lari-uae-ice-421582

Thanks for the link! :)

JanetB
04-20-2012, 11:41 PM
Two ideas on her custuming

1) Her pants need to be pulled taunter, so she has less fabric vertically, I think this would help her leg line look smoother.

2) You could do a really cool Pierrette costume for her.

Mafke
04-21-2012, 08:22 AM
If she's wearing a hijab to be "modest", isn't the implication that the other hijabless competitors are immodest?

Isn't competition in and of itself immodest?

Isn't the idea of attractive hijabs itself immodest?

I can't get my head around all the implications.....

misskarne
04-21-2012, 01:41 PM
If she's wearing a hijab to be "modest", isn't the implication that the other hijabless competitors are immodest?

Isn't competition in and of itself immodest?

Isn't the idea of attractive hijabs itself immodest?

I can't get my head around all the implications.....

Admittedly, one of my first thoughts was:

Spiral?

There's little in figure skating more "immodest" than a high spiral, a "Sasha" spiral, a Y spiral, catch-foot or I spiral.

Orable
04-21-2012, 08:21 PM
If she's wearing a hijab to be "modest", isn't the implication that the other hijabless competitors are immodest?

Isn't competition in and of itself immodest?

Isn't the idea of attractive hijabs itself immodest?

I can't get my head around all the implications.....

Well, I won't speak for her or others, but only for myself as a hijabi Muslim woman. The way I view what I wear has nothing to do with how I view what others wear. "Modesty" means different things to different people and first & foremost for me, it's about behavior, not clothing. Being judgmental about what other people are wearing is not modest behavior :) I'm honestly baffled as to why people think that hijabis walk around judging everyone else's sartorial choices. This was one of the rationales around the hijab bans in French schools a few years ago and it's just weird. Some bitchy women might be judgmental, but for the rest of us, it really doesn't matter what other people wear. Who cares? Believe me, most Muslim women are not walking around with their noses in the air, snarking about how immodest other women are.

As to your other questions, competition isn't immodest, IMO; it's about excellence. And Muslims are asked to strive for excellence in their faith, work, athletics and life. Clean competition is the epitome of striving for excellence.

A lot has been written about hijab, beauty and modesty. The gist of it is that Muslims (men and women) are encouraged to dress nicely, but not in a way that is sexually suggestive. People & culture will define that in a million different ways. The Saudis practically have a national dress of black robes for women and white robes for men. Nary a color seen anywhere (in public). Thankfully, the Saudis are not fashion trendsetters in the Muslim world!

In fact, if you look up "hijab couture," you'll find tons of pretty & colorful hijab styles. Here's one example (http://www.hijabstyle.co.uk/2010/10/vela-website-launch.html). That's not necessarily MY style (I like bolder colors), but their scarves are lovely nonetheless. Anyway, hope this is helpful.

modern_muslimah
04-21-2012, 08:33 PM
Well, I won't speak for her or others, but only for myself as a hijabi Muslim woman. The way I view what I wear has nothing to do with how I view what others wear. "Modesty" means different things to different people and first & foremost for me, it's about behavior, not clothing. Being judgmental about what other people are wearing is not modest behavior :) I'm honestly baffled as to why people think that hijabis walk around judging everyone else's sartorial choices. This was one of the rationales around the hijab bans in French schools a few years ago and it's just weird. Some bitchy women might be judgmental, but for the rest of us, it really doesn't matter what other people wear. Who cares? Believe me, most Muslim women are not walking around with their noses in the air, snarking about how immodest other women are.

As to your other questions, competition isn't immodest, IMO; it's about excellence. And Muslims are asked to strive for excellence in their faith, work, athletics and life. Clean competition is the epitome of striving for excellence.

A lot has been written about hijab, beauty and modesty. The gist of it is that Muslims (men and women) are encouraged to dress nicely, but not in a way that is sexually suggestive. People & culture will define that in a million different ways. The Saudis practically have a national dress of black robes for women and white robes for men. Nary a color seen anywhere (in public). Thankfully, the Saudis are not fashion trendsetters in the Muslim world!

In fact, if you look up "hijab couture," you'll find tons of pretty & colorful hijab styles. Here's one example (http://www.hijabstyle.co.uk/2010/10/vela-website-launch.html). That's not necessarily MY style (I like bolder colors), but their scarves are lovely nonetheless. Anyway, hope this is helpful.

This!

IceAlisa
04-21-2012, 08:49 PM
What about spirals and other body positions that may be interpreted as sexually suggestive? I hope it's considered OK. After all, figure skating is a sexy sport.

Sylvia
04-21-2012, 08:56 PM
Photo of Zahra Lari's catch foot spiral: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/photos/figure-skating-slideshow/emirati-junior-figure-skater-zahra-20120413-014637-456--spt.html