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hanca
05-25-2012, 09:24 PM
Stolbova-Klimov were lucky last season to get the Euro bronze, in K&S's absence. They are nowhere close to a healthy Kavaguti-Smirnov, or even Bazarova-Larianov, the current #3 Russian pair. Although I don't like S&K, they could challenge B&L for the #3 spot if S&K skate clean, and B&L make mistakes. The COP does not care for lines and posture, which will work well for S&K, but still not enough to challenge K&S.

I wouldn't be so sure. As you said, at the moment they would be nowhere near to HEALTHY K&S. The thing is, K&S may not be healthy. They are getting older, she had the long term shoulder injury, he had the appendix done, it seems to me that they have been injured quite frequently in the last few years. And although appendix is just a one off (and not skating related), the high level of injuries /operations etc might be a sign that their body may not be willing to take it for much longer. If their bodies are not fully cooperating, Stolbova- Klimov would have a chance, if they land all their jumps.

hanca
05-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Interesting that in the article it's said that Stolbova & Klimov will challenge Kavaguti & Smirnov, during the grand prix series, to surpass them in the rankings. Sorry but I don't see that coming soon.

Mind you, could they mean in ISU world ranking? If you think about it, Stolbova-Klimov have bronze from Europeans. Kavaguti& Smirnov have missed Europeans and have probably no points for Worlds because they placed quite low. So Stolbova-Klimov may have earned more point within the last season than Kavaguti& Smirnov.

kwanfan1818
05-25-2012, 09:38 PM
K/S were 5th in this season's ranking (1686), vs. S/K's 10th (1185). S/K got 42 more points from Euros (638) than S/K did at Euros (680), but K/S got significantly more points from GP. K/S have more points from two seasons ago than S/K, increasing the difference for cumulative WS at the beginning of this season (K/S-7th [2579] vs. S/K-11th [1904]).

It would take a injury withdrawal from GP or a lot of points earned from two Senior B's for S/K to surpass K/S before Europeans, especially since they are direct competition for each other in two events (CHN, FRA) and neither has a weaker field than the other.

misskarne
05-26-2012, 02:46 AM
http://nvspb.ru/stories/prishlos-napisat-pismo-konsulu-48387

I don't actually speak Russian so I hope that Google Translate is incorrect. It says that one of Tuktamisheva's programs is called Love Story. I don't think that music would be well suited for her.

It means that the theme of the program is Love Story, not that that is the music. Last year Artur's long program was called The Demon and that was Interview with a Vampire.

I like the idea of the young girl growing up and discovering love. Liza is at just the right age for it and it will be wonderful to see how she plays it.

julieann
05-26-2012, 04:02 AM
I wouldn't be so sure. As you said, at the moment they would be nowhere near to HEALTHY K&S. The thing is, K&S may not be healthy. They are getting older, she had the long term shoulder injury, he had the appendix done, it seems to me that they have been injured quite frequently in the last few years. And although appendix is just a one off (and not skating related), the high level of injuries /operations etc might be a sign that their body may not be willing to take it for much longer. If their bodies are not fully cooperating, Stolbova- Klimov would have a chance, if they land all their jumps.

No team is guaranteed to be healthy; even Stolbova and Klimov. Kavaguti and Smirnov did a great job in the GP series last year and the appendix was just a fluke that could happen to any athlete including Klimov. Kavaguti's surgery on her shoulder was two years ago after the Olympics. I doubt S/K could beat them even if K/S are injured. If S/H couldn't, S/K won't. K/S were a little over 7 points away from a medal at worlds even with the bad fall in the short and a missed lift in the free, that's saying something about the rest of their skating.


K/S were 5th in this season's ranking (1686), vs. S/K's 10th (1185). S/K got 42 more points from Euros (638) than S/K did at Euros (680), but K/S got significantly more points from GP. K/S have more points from two seasons ago than S/K, increasing the difference for cumulative WS at the beginning of this season (K/S-7th [2579] vs. S/K-11th [1904]).

It would take a injury withdrawal from GP or a lot of points earned from two Senior B's for S/K to surpass K/S before Europeans, especially since they are direct competition for each other in two events (CHN, FRA) and neither has a weaker field than the other.

K/S also lost a lot of points from 2010 and they didnít compete as much in 2011. They only need 371 points to be in third place in the WR or 84 to be in 4th. If Moskvina sends them to one or two Senior B's (let's see if she is smart enough to do it) they will make up plenty of points even if they don't win first or second if they go.

love_skate2011
05-26-2012, 04:23 AM
I wanted Martiusheva/Rogonov to be Rus no.4 over Stolbova/Klimov
but that's not happening anytime soon :(

they didn't even get a GP assignment, so they'll keep getting B competitions to get more points, any chances for them getting a host pick entry ?

Vash01
05-26-2012, 05:14 AM
It's too bad M&R didn't get a GP assignment. They really have to work on their consistency and prove to their fed that they can be relied upon. They had one good competition last year and that is just not enough. They are beautiful to watch, and hopefully by 2018 they could be contenders, but I am not sure they have the mental toughness for it.

I am still heartbroken over my favorite pair I&M breaking up. My next favorite young pair is D&D but they are only going to compete in the juniors next season.

love_skate2011
05-26-2012, 06:14 AM
It's too bad M&R didn't get a GP assignment. They really have to work on their consistency and prove to their fed that they can be relied upon. They had one good competition last year and that is just not enough. They are beautiful to watch, and hopefully by 2018 they could be contenders, but I am not sure they have the mental toughness for it.

I am still heartbroken over my favorite pair I&M breaking up. My next favorite young pair is D&D but they are only going to compete in the juniors next season.

but what I don't get is how their Fed is hesitant with giving them
another GP. sure they bombed at their GP in 2009 but how come
the likes of G/E keep getting GP events over M/R ? :mad:

this pair haven't done any better :blah:

Vash01
05-26-2012, 06:38 AM
but what I don't get is how their Fed is hesitant with giving them
another GP. sure they bombed at their GP in 2009 but how come
the likes of G/E keep getting GP events over M/R ? :mad:

this pair haven't done any better :blah:

G&E have been disappointing. I think they are given more opportunities because of Moskvina's track record of success. However, she may not be able to make G&E one of the top pairs; they have already spent a couple years with her.

Domshabfan
05-26-2012, 07:20 AM
but what I don't get is how their Fed is hesitant with giving them
another GP. sure they bombed at their GP in 2009 but how come
the likes of G/E keep getting GP events over M/R ? :mad:

this pair haven't done any better :blah:
Because G/E are ranked 15 in the world and have a SB unlike M/R, G/E got it on the basis of their ranking rather than Russian Fed giving them the GP. M/R is ranked 50 in the world, so M/R would not have GP events outside of host picks. As for M/R not getting opportunities, that is the best joke of the day. She has fallen so many time in the last 2 year on SBS jumps i felt sorry for him, and on top of that there were rumours of splitting at least 3 or 4 times. She herself has stated that Russian Fed believes in her (this was during a test skate earlier this year, where they got caught in the traffic and not surprisingly she bombed). I think M/R are Russian Fed's pet project. Russian nationals are the 1st competition in years where they have shown signs of their potential, which they showed us as a junior team. They will have to prove that they are competition ready before they will get the one TBA spot at Russian GP, otherwise that can go to G/E or even D/D if they want.

I think Russian fed is being smart in not giving them the GP so early before seeing their programs.

julieann
05-26-2012, 08:12 AM
G/E haven't been as disappointing as some have made them out to be.

European Championships:2011-4th
Russian Championships:2011-4th, 2012-4th
Cup of Russia: 2010-4th, 2011-5th
Bavarian Open: 2011-2nd
Coupe de Nice: 2010-1st, 2011-2nd

M/R have been together 3 years longer, not to mention Gerboldt has only been skating pairs with him for two seasons. I don't know what Artur Dmitriev was like as a coach and now Moskvina and now Kazakova but they seem to be pretty consistent and hopefully with a new choreographer they will get better, they had terrible choreography last year.

hanca
05-26-2012, 02:02 PM
G/E haven't been as disappointing as some have made them out to be.

European Championships:2011-4th
Russian Championships:2011-4th, 2012-4th
Cup of Russia: 2010-4th, 2011-5th
Bavarian Open: 2011-2nd
Coupe de Nice: 2010-1st, 2011-2nd



Yes, they were 4th at Russian championships 2012, but in the absence of the two strongest teams, so the result is like if they were sixth! Which is disappointing!

Cherub721
05-26-2012, 02:37 PM
As for M/R not getting opportunities, that is the best joke of the day. She has fallen so many time in the last 2 year on SBS jumps i felt sorry for him, and on top of that there were rumours of splitting at least 3 or 4 times. She herself has stated that Russian Fed believes in her (this was during a test skate earlier this year, where they got caught in the traffic and not surprisingly she bombed). I think M/R are Russian Fed's pet project.

I wonder why the difference between her and Lubov...

Regarding Stolbova & Klimov, I don't expect to see them beating K&S yet, but it's awesome that it's their goal. They seem like fighters and are consistent on their jumps. It's good to see that fire. Frankly I think Bazarova & Larionov need more of that attitude, because they have made comments about being happy to be the third team, not in the spotlight yet, etc, and this is after having competed at an Olympics and several senior Worlds. I'd like to see S&K knock them off the podium for a world team of V&T, K&S, S&K.

love_skate2011
05-26-2012, 02:39 PM
G/E haven't been as disappointing as some have made them out to be.

European Championships:2011-4th
Russian Championships:2011-4th, 2012-4th
Cup of Russia: 2010-4th, 2011-5th
Bavarian Open: 2011-2nd
Coupe de Nice: 2010-1st, 2011-2nd

M/R have been together 3 years longer, not to mention Gerboldt has only been skating pairs with him for two seasons. I don't know what Artur Dmitriev was like as a coach and now Moskvina and now Kazakova but they seem to be pretty consistent and hopefully with a new choreographer they will get better, they had terrible choreography last year.

4th at Cup of Russia minus V/T and K/S
Bavarian Open is a B competition and if you compare
M/R's B assignments they have won almost all of them in the past 2 seasons
:shuffle:

Cherub721
05-26-2012, 02:54 PM
4th at Cup of Russia minus V/T and K/S
Bavarian Open is a B competition and if you compare
M/R's B assignments they have won almost all of them in the past 2 seasons
:shuffle:

The thing is that G&E got lucky getting that CoR host pick in 2010-11, but they skated well with good scores, and then they got Euros and did well again. 2011-12 was a rough season for them because they didn't get to complete much, but based on those results from the season before, they again got a GP and did alright (5th). And because of their result there, they earned another one this year, etc. It's cyclical.

Unfortunately M&R bombed their senior GP debut season and haven't gotten another spot since. Even though they are better than G&E now nationally, they don't have much of an international resume. All they really need is a chance to skate at a big event or two (GP or higher) and post some solid scores, and they will be back in the mix for international assignments.

Hopefully they can medal at one of the more prestigious Bs (like Nebelhorn) and get the CoR host pick, place in the top 5 there and got an SB that will guarantee them a spot next season.... and put themselves in a good position for post-Sochi.