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morqet
05-23-2012, 09:32 AM
you're talking about a fluke world/european medalist here and never medaling at any other competitions even at his junior career !


He won bronze at Junior Worlds in 2010 and 4 JGP medals, actually. :P

AKISIN
05-23-2012, 09:38 AM
From a couple of articles in the Hungarian sports press about this during mid March, don't have time to translate at the moment, so here's a short news synopsis from those:

Thank you for the articles and summaries!!!

Having read this article (http://www.origo.hu/sport/egyeb/teli/20120229-folytathatja-a-hoffmann-nora-makszim-zavozin-kettos-ha-megfeleloek-lesznek.html) (via Google translation), I thought they might come back to the competitions.
but after that, the news that Nora & Maxim officially ended their partnerships had appeared. I did not know that:(

I really loved this couple, so it is very sad. I hope Nora can find a good partner...

Cherub721
05-23-2012, 01:29 PM
Rostelecom has the potentially deepest field, because in addition to a 1-3 skater, it's already got Brezina, Oda, Kozuka, Weir and Ten, and may have Plushenko by the Fall.

I have a question about Plushenko. My understanding was that by having a top 3 (?) season's best score from Euros, he was guaranteed one GP. He didn't get any in the initial selection, so I assume that he did not submit his name for ISU consideration. Russia can still pick him as a host pick for their GP which is probably why they left in a TBA. So my question is, if Plushenko did not submit his name, is he eligible to be selected by other federations as an alternate once other skaters withdraw, or is that door closed now?

I really wanted him to do GPF, lol.... :(

misskarne
05-23-2012, 01:57 PM
He had to compete against either Chan, Takahashi, or Hanyu at each. I don't think he'd do better against Takahashi, and I'm not sure it's in his best interest being compared to Hanyu, especially early in the season.


The difference is Chanflation. When Takahashi and Hanyu fall their marks are affected appropriately. He may not "do better" against them, but things would be a lot more even than if he was up against Chan...

...although watching the politics with Chan at CoR is going to be funny.


does it matter though ?
its not like he would have podium anyway :lol:
you're talking about a fluke world/european medalist here and never medaling at any other competitions even at his junior career !

Plushy is still russian men's main hope. :shuffle:

I am going to assume that Artur has rejected your romantic overtures at some point. It seems the only logical explanation for your completely irrational hatred of an 18-year-old, talented skater.

Your hatred is so irrational that you can't even get the facts right.

He in fact has 3 Junior Grand Prix medals, and a bronze at the Junior World Championships. He also won the Coupe de Nice that season.

sbanet
05-23-2012, 03:35 PM
Thank you for the articles and summaries!!!

Having read this article (http://www.origo.hu/sport/egyeb/teli/20120229-folytathatja-a-hoffmann-nora-makszim-zavozin-kettos-ha-megfeleloek-lesznek.html) (via Google translation), I thought they might come back to the competitions.
but after that, the news that Nora & Maxim officially ended their partnerships had appeared. I did not know that:(

I really loved this couple, so it is very sad. I hope Nora can find a good partner...

IMO that Hungarian "Sport Geza" article on Hoffmann+Zavozin is a bit weird and perhaps a little dodgy regarding the pair's quotes, so I wouldn't take everything from there as "100% official". (Thus my hesitation to directly translate it... ;) ) However, it does appear that if Nora is willing/able to compete again, it would be with a new partner. Hopefully it will work out for her.

Macassar88
05-23-2012, 04:46 PM
Every team except the top three have to face a top three couple, and it could have been worse: they could be competing against V/M instead of P/B. They might have fared better against C/L, who were almost ten points ahead of them at Nice, but that was Before Zhulin, but the only other option in 4-6 was I/K, and the Russian Fed clearly didn't want their top two teams at Rostelecom Cup when both have a shot at GPF.


I'm not sure why: they could easily be in the middle of that field. They were going to have to compete against a Top 3 team, a 4-6 team, a 7-9 team, etc., no matter where they skate, and they get a home berth.


Thank you so much for whole translations, sbanet. I thought she was coaching kids in Hungary, but obviously not.
They can definitely beat Capellini and Lanotte if they don't **** up. They were doing it consistently until worlds where they fell, and that was with terrible programs and level 2's.

kwanfan1818
05-23-2012, 07:04 PM
So my question is, if Plushenko did not submit his name, is he eligible to be selected by other federations as an alternate once other skaters withdraw, or is that door closed now?
The wording in the GP press release doesn't guarantee any spots except for 1-12 at prior Worlds and JGPF/JW medalists, so it is possible that Plushenko wasn't guaranteed one, and although his name was submitted, the Russian Fed made it clear that he was not to be selected by any other Fed.

However, if it's typical lack of clarity by the ISU, and last year's rules apply, it's not clear. Samuelson/Gilles teamed up after the initial GP deadline last year, and they were given CoC off the alternates list, so they would have had to have been submitted past the initial GP selection deadline, and it's possible that entries can be fluid, although the initial selection criteria might applicable only to the initial selection, i.e., if Plushenko is allowed to be added, he'd still be under come-back skaters on the alternates list, but then be next in line for an alternates spot, not automatically at the top of the list. (There's a dearth of Russian Men at other events, as opposed to three Russian Ladies at RUS, FRA, NHK, and two at SA, so the only chance of Russian Men maxxing out is at RUS.)

I don't see anywhere where it's published that there is a different rule for adding skaters to the alternates list, becoming a "come-back" skater after the initial selection, or host picks vs. skaters who qualified for a spot, but whose names weren't submitted.

kwanfan1818
05-23-2012, 07:16 PM
They can definitely beat Capellini and Lanotte if they don't **** up. They were doing it consistently until worlds where they fell, and that was with terrible programs and level 2's.
Although I'm sure the Russian Fed will be hedging its bets and politiking hard for both B/S and I/K leading to Sochi, I wouldn't be certain that B/S are a lock to beat C/L anymore. It took a while for Italy #1 bump to happen, but B/S were also behind I/K at Worlds and might be seen as Russia #2 going into this season, especially since Zhulin seems to have weaker politik than Morozov, or at least less of the Federation's confidence.

C/L were on a roll last season, even if I find her skating over-rated, and feel that she is still significantly behind him, as I felt about Natalie Pechalat until the end of last season, and they are Italy #1. I think the next two SD's are much more up their alley than B/S, at least artistically. They had wonderfully appealing programs last year, and he is a :rockstar:. Sure B/S have a great upside, but I think C/L have the attention of the judges.

Macassar88
05-24-2012, 01:24 AM
Although I'm sure the Russian Fed will be hedging its bets and politiking hard for both B/S and I/K leading to Sochi, I wouldn't be certain that B/S are a lock to beat C/L anymore. It took a while for Italy #1 bump to happen, but B/S were also behind I/K at Worlds and might be seen as Russia #2 going into this season, especially since Zhulin seems to have weaker politik than Morozov, or at least less of the Federation's confidence.

C/L were on a roll last season, even if I find her skating over-rated, and feel that she is still significantly behind him, as I felt about Natalie Pechalat until the end of last season, and they are Italy #1. I think the next two SD's are much more up their alley than B/S, at least artistically. They had wonderfully appealing programs last year, and he is a :rockstar:. Sure B/S have a great upside, but I think C/L have the attention of the judges.
I still think that Russian number 2 will have more power than Italian number 1. Between the two programs, Bobrova and Soloviev were less than .25 behind C/L in PCS. I think that Zhulin has more Politick power than Kustarova did, and IF he makes the changes that he promises that he will make, I think BS will come out on top.

As for the two short dance themes, the fact that they aren't dances you'd think of BS as doing well in may be good as it will force them to stay away from the old fashioned style. That said, I don't think that either dance really suits CL either.

luCN
05-24-2012, 03:32 AM
Do you remember the show in Shenyang?

the official site posted official video from the show(they use 3 camera to record it):
Yagudin-Sway:http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDAwNDEwODg4.html
sneak piece:http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDAxMDI5ODEy.html

and here are some news video and fan videos:
http://video.baidu.com/v?word=%B1%F9%C3%CE%C6%E6%D4%B5&ct=301989888&rn=20&pn=0&db=0&s=0&fbl=1024
if not useable,put "冰梦奇缘" on the search block then search.

according to the reports,Yagudin was very happy when he's in Shenyang.and in the evening they went to the sidewalk snack booth and have a good time.he even try to barbecue and clean the car LOL
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/8d21954fjw1dt0nfl2uacj.jpg

Macassar88
05-24-2012, 03:56 AM
Do you remember the show in Shenyang?

the official site posted official video from the show(they use 3 camera to record it):
Yagudin-Sway:http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDAwNDEwODg4.html
sneak piece:http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDAxMDI5ODEy.html

and here are some news video and fan videos:
http://video.baidu.com/v?ct=301989888&rn=20&pn=0&db=0&s=25&word=冰梦奇缘#pn=0

according to the reports,Yagudin was very happy when he's in Shenyang.and in the evening they went to the sidewalk snack booth and have a good time.he even try to barbecue and clean the car LOL
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/8d21954fjw1dt0nfl2uacj.jpg

Yags still has it. Love him!

Macassar88
05-25-2012, 02:50 PM
http://nvspb.ru/stories/prishlos-napisat-pismo-konsulu-48387

I don't actually speak Russian so I hope that Google Translate is incorrect. It says that one of Tuktamisheva's programs is called Love Story. I don't think that music would be well suited for her.

DaiKozOda
05-25-2012, 03:38 PM
Interesting that in the article it's said that Stolbova & Klimov will challenge Kavaguti & Smirnov, during the grand prix series, to surpass them in the rankings. Sorry but I don't see that coming soon.

Eislauffan
05-25-2012, 08:03 PM
http://nvspb.ru/stories/prishlos-napisat-pismo-konsulu-48387

I don't actually speak Russian so I hope that Google Translate is incorrect. It says that one of Tuktamisheva's programs is called Love Story. I don't think that music would be well suited for her.

The program is named "Love Story", but it doesn't necessary mean that they use the music from the movie. Mishin says that the program is about a girl growing up and discovering love. That doesn't sound like they would use the music from "Love Story", but who knows.

Vash01
05-25-2012, 08:49 PM
Interesting that in the article it's said that Stolbova & Klimov will challenge Kavaguti & Smirnov, during the grand prix series, to surpass them in the rankings. Sorry but I don't see that coming soon.

Stolbova-Klimov were lucky last season to get the Euro bronze, in K&S's absence. They are nowhere close to a healthy Kavaguti-Smirnov, or even Bazarova-Larianov, the current #3 Russian pair. Although I don't like S&K, they could challenge B&L for the #3 spot if S&K skate clean, and B&L make mistakes. The COP does not care for lines and posture, which will work well for S&K, but still not enough to challenge K&S.