HisWeirness
04-17-2012, 01:31 AM
By popular request ;)
Feel free to discuss potential 2012-13 Grand Prix assignments, etc. here while we wait for the all powerful 2012-13 GP announcement that will hopefully
1. Be released BEFORE the assignments come out in June :wall:
2. Be an easy to understand and interpret document :shuffle:
:saint:
In the meantime, I've collected some helpful links and some posts made around FSU on this topic.
If you'd like to specifically discuss US skaters' assignments to the GP & JGP, USFSA strategy, and/or Skate America TBA picks, there is already a thread up and going on that topic here: 2012-13 US assignments speculation (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=82275)
Please keep in mind the following:
The ISU has already updated the World Rankings and Season bests (Men (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtsmto.htm), Ladies (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtslto.htm), Pairs (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtspto.htm), Dance (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtsdto.htm)) through 2012 Worlds, but they have yet to remove the 2009-10 season points from the ISU World Standings (http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-202933-220156-nav-list,00.html). This will likely happen in the next month (last year it was May 11). Therefore, the ISU World Standings you see today are not the World Standings that will probably be used to determine 2012-13 GP Assignments.
GP assignments were announced last year on June 27. Here is the 2011-12 GP Thread (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79281). The ISU Congress and ISU Council are meeting in Kuala Lumpur in June (June 10-17). So, it'll probably be June when the assignments will be announced.
The 2012-13 GP announcement and assignments will probably be posted on this website: ISU Grand Prix webpage (http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-136494-137802-nav-list,00.html)
2011-12 Grand Prix Announcement (http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=2726) (contains all of the Grand Prix assignment rules)
Current 2012-13 GP dates/locations
19 - 21 Oct Skate America TBA, USA
26 - 28 Oct Skate Canada Windsor, Ontario, Canada
2 - 4 Nov Cup of China Shanghai, China
9 - 11 Nov Rostelecom Cup 2012 Moscow, Russia
16 - 18 Nov Trophee (insert sponsor here), Paris, France
23 - 25 Nov NHK Trophy Sendai, Japan
6 - 9 Dec Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final (Combined Juniors and Seniors) Sochi, Russia
Relevant posts from previous threads:
Did this right after Worlds over 3 different threads now on page 4 of The Trash Can...just need to update ladies/pairs/dance with skaters in 24 after WR purging...
MEN
Seeded, guar. 2, poss. 3: Chan, Takahashi, Hanyu, Joubert, Amodio, Brezina
Places 7-12 at Worlds, guaranteed 2: Ten, Abbott, Fernandez, Contesti, Kozuka, Reynolds
Top 24 SB (currently), guar. 1: Plushenko, Gachinski, Oda, Song, Verner, Contesti, Miner, Han Yan*, Farris*, Rippon, Mura, Brown*
Top 24 World Rankings who aren't listed above (currently, may change), guar. 1: Machida, Majorov, Dornbush. (ETA: removed Schultheiss who is falling out of top 24)
*= junior, would need to move up to seniors internationally
LADIES
Seeded, guar. 2, poss. 3: Kostner, Leonova, Suzuki, Wagner, Murakami, Asada
Places 7-12 at Worlds, guaranteed 2: Kexin Zhang, Valentina Marchei, Ksenia Makarova, Elene Gedevanishvili, Viktoria Helgesson, Yretha Silete
Top 24 SB (currently), guar. 1: Lipnitskaia*, Tuktamysheva, Sotnikova, Czisny, Zhang, Nagasu, Gold*, Korpi, Biryukova, Korobeynikova, Shelepen*, Miyahara*, Shoji*, Zijun Li*
*= junior, would need to move up to seniors internationally
Top 24 World Rankings who aren't listed above (currently, may change), guar. 1: Miki Ando?, Yuna Kim?, Haruka Imai, Cynthia Phaneuf, Mae Berenice Meite (probably Joshi Helgesson, Sarah Hecken, Flatt falling out of top 24)
PAIRS
Seeded (guar. 2)- Savchenko/Szolkowy, Volosozhar/Trankov, Takahashi/Tran, Pang/Tong, Duhamel/Radford, Bazarova/Larionov
7-12 (guar. 2) - Kavaguti/Smirnov, Denney/Coughlin, Sui/Han, Marley/Brubaker, Berton/Hotarek, DubeWolfe
Top 24 SB (guar. 1) - Zhangs, Moore-Towers/Moscovitch, Stolbova/Klimov, Yu/Jin, Lawrence/Swiegers, Vise/Baldwin, Vartmann/Van Cleave, Davankova/Deputat, Bobak/Beharry, James/Cipres
Top 24 WR (guar. 1)- Hausch/Wende, Gerboldt/Enbert, Kemp/King, Dong/Wu
DANCE
Seeded top 6 (guar. 2)- Virtue/Moir, Davis/White, Pechalat/Bourzat, Weaver/Poje, Ilynikh/Katsalapov, Cappellini/LaNotte
7-12 (guar 2) - Bobrova/Soloviev, Shibutani/Shibutani, Riazanova/Tkachenko, Hubbell/Donohue, Zhiganshina/Gazsi, Huang/Zheng
Top 24 SB (guar 1) - Sinitsina/Zhiganshin, Stepanova/Bukin, Yanovskaya/Mozgov, Coomes/Buckland, Carron/Jones, Aldridge/Eaton, Tobias/Stagniunas, Papadakis/Cizeron, Chock/Bates, Orford/Williams, Allesandrini/Vaturi, Zlobina/Sitnikov, Nazarova/Nikitin
Top 24 WR (guar 1)- Pushkash/Guerreiro, Monko/Khaliavin, Ralph/Hill, Gorshkova/Butikov, Reed/Reed, Paul/Islam, Hurtado/Diaz
JW & JGP medalists are no longer guaranteed of a GP spot. According to "GP General Announcement 2011_2012 2.2.(c):
"Medallists from the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2011 and the medallists from the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2010/11 will be included in the selection process. Skaters/couples who have stated their intention to skate as Senior in 2011/12 might be included in the Grand Prix event(s) if they fulfill the requirements of the minimum score."
In other words, the rules dictate that the only skaters/couples guaranteed for two GP slots are the skaters/couples (that placed) 1 - 12 (at 2012 Worlds). That's it.
One GP slot is guaranteed for those skaters:
"...with an ISU World Standing placement of 1 – 24 (after season 2010/11) and skaters/couples with seasonal best scores in the top 24 (for season 2010/11) who do not hold an ISU World Standing placement of 1 – 24 will be guaranteed one (1) event..." (GP General Announcement 2011_2012 2.2.(b))
Here is the "comeback" skaters provision in the 2011-12 GP Announcement:
c) “Come-Back” Skaters/Couples: Skaters/Couples who were previously seeded (placed 1 to 6 at any previous ISU World Figure Skating Championships) and subsequently did not participate in one or more competitive seasons are allowed to re-enter the Grand Prix if they commit to participating in 2 Grand Prix events. A come-back under this clause is allowed only once for any skater. Subsequent to the come-back season, the skater will be considered only by his/her placement on the official lists (seeded or World Standing points, etc.). If the skater is no longer on the list, he/she will not be considered for a Grand Prix event.
Speculation on changes in 2012-13:
They've changed the GP rules several times. I'm wondering whether they will do so again this year.
I'm wondering if we will see a Plushenko rule for medallists at Europeans/4CC's to guarantee Evgeni 2 spots? If so, Zhang & Miner would also benefit.
So would Gachinski and Stolbova/Klimov.
Also, the 2012 ISU Congress proposals include a proposal from the ISU Council to no longer allow ISU Age 14 (Age 14 as of July 1, 2012) skaters to participate in the senior GP. Instead, skaters would have to be ISU Age 15 to participate, which is the same age required to participate in senior ISU Championships (Euros, 4CCs, Worlds).
Feel free to discuss potential 2012-13 Grand Prix assignments, etc. here while we wait for the all powerful 2012-13 GP announcement that will hopefully
1. Be released BEFORE the assignments come out in June :wall:
2. Be an easy to understand and interpret document :shuffle:
:saint:
In the meantime, I've collected some helpful links and some posts made around FSU on this topic.
If you'd like to specifically discuss US skaters' assignments to the GP & JGP, USFSA strategy, and/or Skate America TBA picks, there is already a thread up and going on that topic here: 2012-13 US assignments speculation (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=82275)
Please keep in mind the following:
The ISU has already updated the World Rankings and Season bests (Men (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtsmto.htm), Ladies (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtslto.htm), Pairs (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtspto.htm), Dance (http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtsdto.htm)) through 2012 Worlds, but they have yet to remove the 2009-10 season points from the ISU World Standings (http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-202933-220156-nav-list,00.html). This will likely happen in the next month (last year it was May 11). Therefore, the ISU World Standings you see today are not the World Standings that will probably be used to determine 2012-13 GP Assignments.
GP assignments were announced last year on June 27. Here is the 2011-12 GP Thread (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79281). The ISU Congress and ISU Council are meeting in Kuala Lumpur in June (June 10-17). So, it'll probably be June when the assignments will be announced.
The 2012-13 GP announcement and assignments will probably be posted on this website: ISU Grand Prix webpage (http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-136494-137802-nav-list,00.html)
2011-12 Grand Prix Announcement (http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=2726) (contains all of the Grand Prix assignment rules)
Current 2012-13 GP dates/locations
19 - 21 Oct Skate America TBA, USA
26 - 28 Oct Skate Canada Windsor, Ontario, Canada
2 - 4 Nov Cup of China Shanghai, China
9 - 11 Nov Rostelecom Cup 2012 Moscow, Russia
16 - 18 Nov Trophee (insert sponsor here), Paris, France
23 - 25 Nov NHK Trophy Sendai, Japan
6 - 9 Dec Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final (Combined Juniors and Seniors) Sochi, Russia
Relevant posts from previous threads:
Did this right after Worlds over 3 different threads now on page 4 of The Trash Can...just need to update ladies/pairs/dance with skaters in 24 after WR purging...
MEN
Seeded, guar. 2, poss. 3: Chan, Takahashi, Hanyu, Joubert, Amodio, Brezina
Places 7-12 at Worlds, guaranteed 2: Ten, Abbott, Fernandez, Contesti, Kozuka, Reynolds
Top 24 SB (currently), guar. 1: Plushenko, Gachinski, Oda, Song, Verner, Contesti, Miner, Han Yan*, Farris*, Rippon, Mura, Brown*
Top 24 World Rankings who aren't listed above (currently, may change), guar. 1: Machida, Majorov, Dornbush. (ETA: removed Schultheiss who is falling out of top 24)
*= junior, would need to move up to seniors internationally
LADIES
Seeded, guar. 2, poss. 3: Kostner, Leonova, Suzuki, Wagner, Murakami, Asada
Places 7-12 at Worlds, guaranteed 2: Kexin Zhang, Valentina Marchei, Ksenia Makarova, Elene Gedevanishvili, Viktoria Helgesson, Yretha Silete
Top 24 SB (currently), guar. 1: Lipnitskaia*, Tuktamysheva, Sotnikova, Czisny, Zhang, Nagasu, Gold*, Korpi, Biryukova, Korobeynikova, Shelepen*, Miyahara*, Shoji*, Zijun Li*
*= junior, would need to move up to seniors internationally
Top 24 World Rankings who aren't listed above (currently, may change), guar. 1: Miki Ando?, Yuna Kim?, Haruka Imai, Cynthia Phaneuf, Mae Berenice Meite (probably Joshi Helgesson, Sarah Hecken, Flatt falling out of top 24)
PAIRS
Seeded (guar. 2)- Savchenko/Szolkowy, Volosozhar/Trankov, Takahashi/Tran, Pang/Tong, Duhamel/Radford, Bazarova/Larionov
7-12 (guar. 2) - Kavaguti/Smirnov, Denney/Coughlin, Sui/Han, Marley/Brubaker, Berton/Hotarek, DubeWolfe
Top 24 SB (guar. 1) - Zhangs, Moore-Towers/Moscovitch, Stolbova/Klimov, Yu/Jin, Lawrence/Swiegers, Vise/Baldwin, Vartmann/Van Cleave, Davankova/Deputat, Bobak/Beharry, James/Cipres
Top 24 WR (guar. 1)- Hausch/Wende, Gerboldt/Enbert, Kemp/King, Dong/Wu
DANCE
Seeded top 6 (guar. 2)- Virtue/Moir, Davis/White, Pechalat/Bourzat, Weaver/Poje, Ilynikh/Katsalapov, Cappellini/LaNotte
7-12 (guar 2) - Bobrova/Soloviev, Shibutani/Shibutani, Riazanova/Tkachenko, Hubbell/Donohue, Zhiganshina/Gazsi, Huang/Zheng
Top 24 SB (guar 1) - Sinitsina/Zhiganshin, Stepanova/Bukin, Yanovskaya/Mozgov, Coomes/Buckland, Carron/Jones, Aldridge/Eaton, Tobias/Stagniunas, Papadakis/Cizeron, Chock/Bates, Orford/Williams, Allesandrini/Vaturi, Zlobina/Sitnikov, Nazarova/Nikitin
Top 24 WR (guar 1)- Pushkash/Guerreiro, Monko/Khaliavin, Ralph/Hill, Gorshkova/Butikov, Reed/Reed, Paul/Islam, Hurtado/Diaz
JW & JGP medalists are no longer guaranteed of a GP spot. According to "GP General Announcement 2011_2012 2.2.(c):
"Medallists from the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2011 and the medallists from the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2010/11 will be included in the selection process. Skaters/couples who have stated their intention to skate as Senior in 2011/12 might be included in the Grand Prix event(s) if they fulfill the requirements of the minimum score."
In other words, the rules dictate that the only skaters/couples guaranteed for two GP slots are the skaters/couples (that placed) 1 - 12 (at 2012 Worlds). That's it.
One GP slot is guaranteed for those skaters:
"...with an ISU World Standing placement of 1 – 24 (after season 2010/11) and skaters/couples with seasonal best scores in the top 24 (for season 2010/11) who do not hold an ISU World Standing placement of 1 – 24 will be guaranteed one (1) event..." (GP General Announcement 2011_2012 2.2.(b))
Here is the "comeback" skaters provision in the 2011-12 GP Announcement:
c) “Come-Back” Skaters/Couples: Skaters/Couples who were previously seeded (placed 1 to 6 at any previous ISU World Figure Skating Championships) and subsequently did not participate in one or more competitive seasons are allowed to re-enter the Grand Prix if they commit to participating in 2 Grand Prix events. A come-back under this clause is allowed only once for any skater. Subsequent to the come-back season, the skater will be considered only by his/her placement on the official lists (seeded or World Standing points, etc.). If the skater is no longer on the list, he/she will not be considered for a Grand Prix event.
Speculation on changes in 2012-13:
They've changed the GP rules several times. I'm wondering whether they will do so again this year.
I'm wondering if we will see a Plushenko rule for medallists at Europeans/4CC's to guarantee Evgeni 2 spots? If so, Zhang & Miner would also benefit.
So would Gachinski and Stolbova/Klimov.
Also, the 2012 ISU Congress proposals include a proposal from the ISU Council to no longer allow ISU Age 14 (Age 14 as of July 1, 2012) skaters to participate in the senior GP. Instead, skaters would have to be ISU Age 15 to participate, which is the same age required to participate in senior ISU Championships (Euros, 4CCs, Worlds).