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Sylvia
04-23-2012, 10:30 PM
Konstantin Menshov picked up 250 points for his win at Gardena Spring Trophy which should move him into the top 24 in the ISU World Standings after the forthcoming update, thereby guaranteeing him 1 Grand Prix invitation under the current selection rules.

UNOFFICIAL PROJECTED ISU WORLD STANDINGS
1 Patrick Chan CAN 4080
2 Daisuke Takahashi JPN 3476
3 Yuzuru Hanyu JPN 3088
4 Michal Brezina CZE 2751
5 Jeremy Abbott USA 2679
6 Artur Gachinski RUS 2625
7 Takahiko Kozuka JPN 2592
8 Samuel Contesti ITA 2435
9 Javier Fernandez ESP 2331
10 Florent Amodio FRA 2219
11 Adam Rippon USA 2013
12 Tomas Verner CZE 1936
13 Kevin Van Der Perren BEL 1893 (reportedly retiring)
14 Brian Joubert FRA 1859
15 Alexander Majorov SWE 1851
16 Denis Ten KAZ 1850
17 Nobunari Oda JPN 1825
18 Ross Miner USA 1682
19 Han Yan CHN 1667
20 Richard Dornbush USA 1547
21 Konstantin Menshov RUS 1237 1507
22 Takahito Mura JPN 1465
23 Jason Brown USA 1452
24 Tatsuki Machida JPN 1442

25 Nan Song CHN 1408
26 Joshua Farris USA 1317
27 Jorik Hendrickx BEL 1275
28 Keiji Tanaka JPN 1259
29 Abzal Rakimgaliev KAZ 1234
30 Kevin Reynolds CAN 1229
31 Peter Liebers GER 1205
32 Daisuke Murakami JPN 1192
33 Andrei Rogozine CAN 1173

ETA: Yuki Nishino picked up 225 points for her silver medal at Gardena Spring Trophy but it doesn't look like it will be enough to move her into the top 24 after the update (maybe around #28?).

UNOFFICIAL PROJECTED ISU WORLD STANDINGS (corrections welcomed)
(1-24 on page 1 of this thread)
25 Cynthia Phaneuf CAN 1371
26 Caroline Zhang USA 1315
27 Sonia Lafuente ESP 1161
28 Yuki Nishino JPN 1141
29 Polina Korobeynikova RUS 1121
30 Risa Shoji JPN 1101
31 Julia Lipnitskaia RUS 1100
32 Christina Gao USA 1098
33 Kexin Zhang CHN 1072
34 Yrethe Silete FRA 1063
35 Rachael Flatt USA 1011

skatak
04-23-2012, 10:54 PM
I think there's a draw to decide the order of the federations. Skaters. Most of the time, the federations try to go with the athletes' choices (ie an European skater training in the US who would rather go to SA).

For Joubert, his rink is closing down soon (http://www.goldenskate.com/2012/04/brian-joubert-reloaded/) this year (16th May for the public, later for the skating club) so he's going to have to find an alternative.

Actually it's May 6th, meaning this week-end was the last time I could skate there before they take it down :( . Hoping they'll manage to keep the same smell !

For Brian, he said sometimes during the season, and this was backed up by Didier, that he may have to chose which event to skate in as he is not getting younger. So maybe he'll just skip part of the GP season ?
But he also said in the past that he needs competition to compete well, and he still has not won CoC.
And French Masters are usually early September / October.

Ziggy
04-23-2012, 11:29 PM
WHAT? THAT RELATIONSHIP WAS REAL?

Morozov shagging his skaters. Shocking. :P

Jeschke
04-24-2012, 10:27 AM
:biggrinbo
Morozov shagging his skaters. Shocking. :P

aemeraldrainc
04-24-2012, 03:12 PM
this one

http://eg.ru/daily/sports/31120/

was posted in the from russia with love 2 - thread, just before it was closed and we moved on the the off-season-thread.
was an interview about his personal life, life as an athlete and coach.

question was about miki; iŽll copy from my earlier posts there what he said:

he was going to marry her, but things turned out to be differenz now. she is in japan with ehr mother and he thinks, she will never come back to compete.
the chapter ando is closed for him, andos mother is against the relationship, he didnŽt want to give any details.

Oh ok. I missed it the first time it was posted so thanks!

query5
04-24-2012, 09:50 PM
when i did it i got caroline 24-25--zijun was 26, cynthia was 24.
how i current rankings subtracted the 2009-2010 season from the scores, added the full weight of the 2011-2012 season and 70% 2010-2011.

also was i supposed to add the 4cc/euro with the worlds or just the highest number.

icellist
04-25-2012, 01:50 AM
when i did it i got caroline 24-25--zijun was 26, cynthia was 24.
how i current rankings subtracted the 2009-2010 season from the scores, added the full weight of the 2011-2012 season and 70% 2010-2011.

also was i supposed to add the 4cc/euro with the worlds or just the highest number.

just the higher number

barbk
04-25-2012, 02:22 AM
You only get to count one ISU Championship per year, right? (So take the highest points from Euros, 4CC, Worlds or Junior Worlds.)

I think this formula would better reflect realities if the current season reflected up to two ISU Championships per skater.

SamuraiK
04-25-2012, 05:04 AM
You only get to count one ISU Championship per year, right? (So take the highest points from Euros, 4CC, Worlds or Junior Worlds.)

I think this formula would better reflect realities if the current season reflected up to two ISU Championships per skater.


I agree, having two Senior B count but only one ISU championship is nonsense IMO.:rolleyes:

DORISPULASKI
04-25-2012, 12:30 PM
You could 'fix' that by allowing people to count their 2nd ISU championship as a Senior B.

Sylvia
04-25-2012, 02:35 PM
when i did it i got caroline 24-25--zijun was 26, cynthia was 24.
What are your total points for these 3 ladies when you added them up?


You could 'fix' that by allowing people to count their 2nd ISU championship as a Senior B.
This doesn't seem fair to the skaters from the deeper countries that often divide their ISU championship assignments among different skaters.

barbk
04-25-2012, 04:46 PM
This doesn't seem fair to the skaters from the deeper countries that often divide their ISU championship assignments among different skaters.

I'm not following you here, Sylvia. If the goal is to have World Rankings that somewhat reasonably reflect actual reality, including a second ISU championship would seem to be a pretty straightforward way to do that. And I don't think too many countries divide their ISU Championship entries in such a way as to "spread the wealth" any more - though perhaps they will for 4CCs in an Olympic year depending on travel distance.

Unfortunately, the current ISU ranking system is a rather poor approximation of reality.

(I think if I had my druthers it would also reflect only two years of competitive history, not three, and that would help too.)

oubik
04-25-2012, 05:33 PM
Konstantin Menshov picked up 250 points for his win at Gardena Spring Trophy which should move him into the top 24 in the ISU World Standings after the forthcoming update, thereby guaranteeing him 1 Grand Prix invitation under the current selection rules.



Not so sure Sylvia, there was not enough skaters from not enough countries in Gardena, but as far as I know there were some later withdrawels which should finally count, we will see soon.

sandra_persch
04-25-2012, 06:09 PM
Not so sure Sylvia, there was not enough skaters from not enough countries in Gardena, but as far as I know there were some later withdrawels which should finally count, we will see soon.

Now there is an idea ... maybe ISU should increase the minimum requirements for Senior Bs. seriousley 5 pairs and 8 single skaters is a joke!

Sylvia
04-28-2012, 03:45 PM
I'm not following you here, Sylvia. If the goal is to have World Rankings that somewhat reasonably reflect actual reality, including a second ISU championship would seem to be a pretty straightforward way to do that. And I don't think too many countries divide their ISU Championship entries in such a way as to "spread the wealth" any more - though perhaps they will for 4CCs in an Olympic year depending on travel distance.
It currently seems to be mainly USA and Japan who are spreading out the ISU Championship assignments.

Of the top 19 men in the current ISU World Standings, Chan, Takahashi, Brezina, Gachinski, Amodio, Verner, Fernandez, Contesti, Joubert, Rippon, Denis Ten, and Majorov competed at both 2012 Worlds and Four Continents/Europeans (van der Perren withdrew after the SP at Euros and Oda withdrew from his Nationals).

Hanyu, Kozuka, and Abbott (initially assigned to 4CC but WD) competed at Worlds only, not at 4CC; Machida and Miner competed at 4CC only.


Unfortunately, the current ISU ranking system is a rather poor approximation of reality.

(I think if I had my druthers it would also reflect only two years of competitive history, not three, and that would help too.)
When the 2009-10 ranking points are erased from the World Standings then the updated list -- the one used for GP selection -- will only have 2 seasons worth of points.

I think -- and many others have pointed this out -- the Senior B competitions skew the current rankings the most. Maybe the ISU should consolidate them into one Grand Prix/Senior B category so that only the best 2 count per season?


Not so sure Sylvia, there was not enough skaters from not enough countries in Gardena, but as far as I know there were some later withdrawels which should finally count, we will see soon.
The top 5 Senior ladies and men received their Senior B ranking points for Gardena in the most recent World Standings update (April 21, 2012).