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HisWeirness
04-17-2012, 05:48 PM
The ISU Council proposal would make 15 the minimum age limit for all senior competitions.

Thread discussing the 2012 ISU Congress proposals:
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=82441

Dave of the North
04-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Will the FFSG want to have Chan at TEB, seeing as how he was probably the least popular medalist with the audience at Worlds?

I want Chan to be at TEB and mix in Sharapova saying "Allez up your f****** ass" with his "Elegie" exhibition...:P

NMURA
04-17-2012, 09:37 PM
The RFSF will surely be against it, with Lipnitskaya being the new start and everything. Does any other NGB have a stake in the matter? Gold is old enough. What about Japanese girls?

I don't think Russia will SURELY be against it. Their #1 priority of the next season is to win a world medal of the best possible value. Lipnitskaya's presence can put unnecessary pressure on Russian "senior" ladies.

Miyahara is surely going to compete as a junior. The JSF seems still wanting to favor Murakami. Miyahara's emergence is not welcome, to be honest. Shoji has probably finished, I'm afraid.

feraina
04-18-2012, 02:02 AM
I don't think Russia will SURELY be against it. Their #1 priority of the next season is to win a world medal of the best possible value. Lipnitskaya's presence can put unnecessary pressure on Russian "senior" ladies.

In particular, I think they probably want to promote Tukt and Sotnikova, who will finally be eligible for senior championships. Having one more young lady to share the limelight with them may not be their best strategy. Younger girls like Elena Radionova won't make Sochi anyway, so maybe they don't mind keeping them back a year.

I can't think of that many amazing young skaters in the U.S. who'd benefit from going up to senior GP's early. Caroline won two GP medals and qualified for GPF when she was 14, but then her career didn't exactly thrive after that. Among the younger girls, only Karen Chen seems particularly precocious. But she will be a good position for 2018 even if she goes up to senior at 15.

China kept Zijun Li back by a year anyway, though she would've qualified for a GP last year, given her bronze at JGPF. It probably was good for her to consolidate her 2A-3T and 3-3's in the low-pressure junior events.

Sui/Han really benefitted from GP's last season though, as in China they have to overcome a lot of political obstacles to get expensive costumes, foreign choreographers, and other resources -- proving their worth on the GP really helped them getting somewhere with the Chinese federation.


Miyahara is surely going to compete as a junior. The JSF seems still wanting to favor Murakami. Miyahara's emergence is not welcome, to be honest. Shoji has probably finished, I'm afraid.

Shoji is probably going the way of Yuki Nishino, who never recovered. :slinkaway Shoji has real technical issues with her jumps, and puberty seems to be really hurting her.

pinky166
04-18-2012, 04:04 AM
Shoji was injured most of this season. She has technique and UR issues, but she can maybe bounce back. And actually, she can do GP next season and probably get 2, her SB is in the top 24 to get her one, then she could get the host spot at NHK. I don't think a few bad competitions while she was injured are a clear indication that she's "finished". Anyways, I'm not sure puberty is even the issue, because she looks about the same size as last season when she was doing quite well. I still think she has more promise than Imai, and Miyahara's jumps are miniscule to the point that I think they will be very problematic once she grows. She like doesn't even jump, more like spins around 3 times on the ice.

Also Zijun Li is not eligible by age for Worlds and 4CC until next season anyway (she is the same age as Liza) so it's not shocking she did JGP again. This way she can move up to seniors fully in the upcoming season, rather than doing senior GP then JW and having to train 2 long programs all season long.

Andrey aka Pushkin
04-18-2012, 07:47 AM
Sorry, I don't agree. I want Takahashi at either TEB or CoR.

Jammers
04-18-2012, 11:12 AM
I always thought it was ridiculous that skaters not old enough to skate at Senior Worlds or the Olympics could nevertheless skate on the Senior GP. The whole BS of protecting the younger girls was just that BS. Caroline Zhang skated on the GP when she was only 14 how was that protecting her from burning out? I say make the rule if you turn 15 before Oct 1st of the previous year you can compete at Worlds and the Olympics. Push the deadline forward a few months so more of these girls can compete. Adelina was hosed for being born on July 1st.

Ziggy
04-18-2012, 01:38 PM
I wish they'd just drop the 3rd GP option. How many times has the third GP ended up dropped? Given the reduced number of GP entries, and the number of folks who could well medal at the one GP they're entitled to, we could easily see the GP final feature lesser-accomplished skaters because some of the best are locked out of the necessary 2nd GP.

That.

It's good to give the best a chance to earn money but it's even more important to spread the wealth and give more skaters the opportunity to compete IMO.

Cherub721
04-18-2012, 02:49 PM
It makes sense to have one age standard for all senior competitions (either that or get rid of age restrictions in seniors altogether). I just hope they will save major changes like that until after the Olympic season. A skater like Lipnitskaya, who has been competing senior at Nationals successfully for years, is operating under the impression that she'll have two senior GP seasons under her belt before the Olympics. If the rules suddenly change, that would totally throw off her Olympic plans and she won't get any senior experience until just a few months before the Olympics.

misskarne
04-18-2012, 03:02 PM
I think they're changing the GP age rule in conjunction with another proposed rule change that will prohibit moving from Senior competitions back to Junior ones. Under current rules, a 14-year-old can skate in the GP but cannot go to Worlds, 4CC or Euros, so JW is the only championship option. Changing the GP age makes the rules uniform.

Thank god! It's about time they did something like that. Frankly, I've always thought it's criminal that Denis Ten is still allowed to go to Junior Worlds. He's been to the Olympics, FFS.

Once a Senior, always a Senior IMO. You shouldn't be able to just pick and choose.

If I read it right, someone like Artur Gachinski (DOB 13/08/1993) would still be eligible for Junior Worlds next season. The very fact that Artur, who is a silver medallist at Europeans and a bronze medallist at Senior Worlds, would be able to go back to Junior Worlds is somewhat laughable. Can you imagine if he'd decided to get in an extra competition between Euros and Worlds this year and gone to Minsk?

I'm glad they're changing the rule.

jlai
04-18-2012, 03:25 PM
This will affect USFS selection to jw because skaters like Gao will no longer be able to go back to jw, which has been USFS strategy for Jr world that ensures their getting enough jgp spots next season.

With the ladies field there may be enough good girls for US to send but if Brown does gp then the US will send three rookies to jw next year

Anya
04-18-2012, 03:27 PM
It makes sense to have one age standard for all senior competitions (either that or get rid of age restrictions in seniors altogether). I just hope they will save major changes like that until after the Olympic season. A skater like Lipnitskaya, who has been competing senior at Nationals successfully for years, is operating under the impression that she'll have two senior GP seasons under her belt before the Olympics. If the rules suddenly change, that would totally throw off her Olympic plans and she won't get any senior experience until just a few months before the Olympics.

There are skaters younger than Lipnitskaya with comparable level of skills (Elena Rodionova, for one) who have competed at Senior Russian Nationals even though they are definitely not eligible for the 2014 Olympics. Not to mention Tuktamysheva and Sotnikova, who debuted at Senior Nationals at 11 and 12, respectively, years before they were eligible even for Junior international events. It is a local Russian issue, and I do not see why the ISU should bother to take it into account (but I bet the RFSF will try to influence the outcome of this vote).

Libertango
04-18-2012, 03:35 PM
Will the FFSG want to have Chan at TEB, seeing as how he was probably the least popular medalist with the audience at Worlds?

They might not have the choice and frankly I don't think they care! Chan has skated at TEB as many times as he has at SC since he's a senior! (He's never done COC, has been only once to COR, NHK ans SA).

I'm not as convinced for Joubert at TEB because he has never been confortable in Bercy and now that he has a valid reason to skip it (another french contender for the podium) he might skip it. Besides he has mentionned wanting to try winning COC before he retires. He might want Rostelecom too since he may be training with Urmanov in Russia this year.

Ziggy
04-18-2012, 03:43 PM
I'm also pretty sure that it's not just me who has had more than enough of seeing Sui/Han win JGPs and Junior Worlds for a number of seasons now.

Yes they are very good but they've already won Junior elite events many times now. Time to move on.

jlai
04-18-2012, 04:00 PM
If new age rule takes effect and age maximum also lowered for jrs, more jrs will age out of jrs with few sr competition opportunities, esp since it is so "easy" to get a gp now (not)

There really should be more sr opportunities for skaters. ISU, ugh!