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figuristka
04-14-2012, 11:39 AM
Another Kurt program i love

Lighting crashes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWOQ694QcIY

UGG
04-14-2012, 12:22 PM
Kwan and B/S could skate to different music styles and themes but their programs and interpretations always looked the same to me. Chaplin program stood out for B/S however. Or should I say it stood out for Anton as long as Elena was the same as always.


I disagree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPRcajUQrM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE0Blj2A0x4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhXa9JYtwLY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWQSoIEAxns

Here are four of her long programs- Lyra, Taj, SOTBS, and Tosca. the programs are all very different.

Katarzyna
04-14-2012, 03:09 PM
As promised some videos of Ilia Klimkin - from Swan Lake to Techno Music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLVGHiXtwbQ&feature=related - Swan Lake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T746wFOKplA&feature=related - another classical programme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9imgmNJB24&feature=related - bit of diabolic mood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A5WYJcrLIE&feature=related - lyrical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Y5zoPMpZg&feature=related - Russian Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fCZlnq8cg&feature=related - Techno

What I really love about him ist that even in his competitive programmes he didnít care about ďmainstreamď, some of his music choices were very uniquem though some of them certainly a matter of taste. I found it very courageous to try something new. Iíve seen the techno-programme live and is was terrific Ė before that Iíd never thought that one might skate to this kind of music. :eek:

One of my favourite programmes is ďMadame BrashkinaĒ, which Ilia skated as an exhibition number at Russian Nationals in 2003. It was really funny. He pretended to be a prostitute and had a peruke on his head. However, I guess some more conservative officials of his own skating federation particularly "liked" that. :EVILLE:

I was :rofl::rofl::rofl: about it, but unfortunately I couldn't find a video of this one. So if anyone has a link, please post it here.

kwanfan1818
04-14-2012, 06:21 PM
Kwan and B/S could skate to different music styles and themes but their programs and interpretations always looked the same to me. Chaplin program stood out for B/S however. Or should I say it stood out for Anton as long as Elena was the same as always.


Here are four of her long programs- Lyra, Taj, SOTBS, and Tosca. the programs are all very different.
I don't think the argument is that her programs were the same, but rather whether she, or B/S, or Klimkin, Curry, Buttle, all of whom I loved, looked much different in their movement quality and interpretation from program to program.

Great dancers tend to look different from role to role: in the classics or story ballets, the character drives the movement, and in abstract work, the movement vocabulary is much more broad than it is in skating, and there aren't required elements to try to squeeze into a program. Also, dancers spend way, way less time setting up for the most technical elements: they don't need or use momentum in the same way.

Aside from using momentum and speed, skaters are so much more limited than dancers because of the physics of skating in a boot with a blade and the balance on a blade. A dancer can look completely different dancing an arabesque in Agon (http://www.scenthive.com/tag/jordan-pacitti/) (scroll) or in many of the variations in these photos (http://www.dancehelp.com/articles/photos/ballet-photos.aspx) than in a classical arabesque, but that's not feasible for the ice, at least while moving unsupported.

Vash01
04-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Kwan and B/S could skate to different music styles and themes but their programs and interpretations always looked the same to me. Chaplin program stood out for B/S however. Or should I say it stood out for Anton as long as Elena was the same as always.

I completely disagree about both (B&S and Michelle). Since someone has already posted about Michelle, I will address only B&S here. They were one of the most versatile pairs. They could skate to any music. They could be elegant or or cute and funny. They always had their beautiful lines or the speed and power, except in some of the Chaplin performances, and that was by intent. I also disagree that Elena looked the same even in the Chaplin programs. I don't know what you were watching.

I have posted here links to only some of their programs.

Meadowland SP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3mFOfy_J-Q

Lady Caliph:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBVuogcy_eQ

Happy Valley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qzy7VRWwE4

Swan Lake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49UJxZLtUYM

Radetzky march:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKj3ndIBSk

The Kid (the same? what were you watching?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAtOrzrl1dk

Barcelona (ex):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AB1icW8rOg

Citylights (I don't understand how anyone can say it's the same as usual, even Elena):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLpXj6PD9HE

Dance mix (not my favorite, but they did sell it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05O5k96FEg0

Sentimental waltz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTIf21db4o

Smooth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpxtYT3JtZs

Kalinka:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvpA_WPetJo

UGG
04-14-2012, 10:49 PM
well, the comment I was referring to was


programs and interpretations always looked the same to m

If we are talking about 2003-2005 long programs then yes i would agree they looked and were interpreted pretty much the same.

I posted Tosca from 2004 though because in my mind...that program was very empty and most skaters would have made it forgettable. But Michelle somehow managed to make it amazing. I cried after she skated it haha.

Katarzyna
04-14-2012, 11:23 PM
They were one of the most versatile pairs. They could skate to any music. They could be elegant or or cute and funny. They always had their beautiful lines or the speed and power, except in some of the Chaplin performances, and that was by intent. I also disagree that Elena looked the same even in the Chaplin programs.

Well said! I agree 100 % with you. B/S were able not only to skate, but to portray any kind of music. When I saw them skating live, they did not only skate to the music, they lived it and created an atmosphere in the audience. :inavoid:

Thank you for posting so many video links, Vash01. Thanks in particular for the Kalinka - programme, I was searching this one in the net, but couldn't find it. :)

Cherub721
04-14-2012, 11:38 PM
Grishuk & Platov were the most versatile ice dancers, IMO... most of the great ice dance teams had a signature style, whether it be lyrical, romantic, dramatic, ballroom, etc.

G&P really hit on every different style for ice dance: Folk music (Greek and Italian), sensual (blues), voidy (Liebesleid, The Feeling Begins), various ballroom themes (Rock Around the Clock, Latin, and Fred & Gingeresque Steppin Out), and the more Russian dramatic style (Memorial).

figuristka
04-15-2012, 08:27 AM
wonderful to see old programs of Browning, Yagudin, B&S etc

Lambiel is another amazing artist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5HGFyIYC8g exhibition euros 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta8nyz6DlUU&feature=related flamenco at worlds.

Vash01
04-15-2012, 08:46 AM
Well said! I agree 100 % with you. B/S were able not only to skate, but to portray any kind of music. When I saw them skating live, they did not only skate to the music, they lived it and created an atmosphere in the audience. :inavoid:

Thank you for posting so many video links, Vash01. Thanks in particular for the Kalinka - programme, I was searching this one in the net, but couldn't find it. :)

You are welcome. I could not find a few others that I had wanted to post, like 'You are the boss'- their exhibition in the first part of 2000, and Elegy from 98. The two were so completely different.

I agree about them creating an atmosphere. At one of the SOI's (I think around 2003) they skated to 'If I could'. I don't particularly like that song, but the whole arena seemed mesmerized by their skating, because it was so beautiful. In the second half they skated a number that was completely different in character.

Fashionista
04-15-2012, 11:37 AM
Okay, are we talking about competitive or show programs? Because if we look at what Russian skaters do in Russian tv shows than we should admit that Navka is a queen of versatility of all time.

PashaFan
04-15-2012, 12:15 PM
You are welcome. I could not find a few others that I had wanted to post, like 'You are the boss'- their exhibition in the first part of 2000, and Elegy from 98. The two were so completely different.

I agree about them creating an atmosphere. At one of the SOI's (I think around 2003) they skated to 'If I could'. I don't particularly like that song, but the whole arena seemed mesmerized by their skating, because it was so beautiful. In the second half they skated a number that was completely different in character.

I remember them skating to 'If I Could' at SOI. I think their second program was a rap/dance theme. I still have it on tape & love watching it.
Also did you see them skate to 'You are so beautiful' at the World Team Challenge in 05'?. Amazing :)

Katarzyna
04-15-2012, 01:40 PM
I agree about them creating an atmosphere. At one of the SOI's (I think around 2003) they skated to 'If I could'. I don't particularly like that song, but the whole arena seemed mesmerized by their skating, because it was so beautiful. In the second half they skated a number that was completely different in character.
Itís strange what some skaters can do with regard to your relationship to music. It happened to me numerous times that Iíve seen skaters performing to music I didnít like, but after watching them, I loved the piece. And this only due to the atmosphere or mood they created while performing. The skater/s just put a little extra something to the music. :respec:

I think itís also this kind of performances youíll always remember, as feelings create the strongest memories. I hardly remember programmes with regard to jump content, no matter how great it may have been. But I so often just need to listen to a certain music piece and Iíll just get a dťjŗ-vu and remember a certain programme and my feelings when watching it. It actually can be quite embarrassing, if itís one that made me teary. :(
And :rofl::rofl: without obvious reason in public can of course appear to other persons quite strange as well.

Vash01
04-15-2012, 05:30 PM
I remember them skating to 'If I Could' at SOI. I think their second program was a rap/dance theme. I still have it on tape & love watching it.
Also did you see them skate to 'You are so beautiful' at the World Team Challenge in 05'?. Amazing :)

I saw them skate to 'You are so beautiful' at the WTC on TV, and later I saw them skate it live with SOI. It was beautiful.

antmanb
04-17-2012, 01:22 PM
Who are some skaters who demonstrated an ability to interpret several different styles of music with different types of movement styles over the course of their competitive careers?

Can you find at least three contrasting styles among their competitive oeuvre?

And then feel free to show even more contrast with exhibition or professional programs.

I'll start with Lu Chen:


Adios Nonio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFt3bDPar60)


Random off topic observation but on the slow motion replay of the solo triple toe in that SP you can really see that she does a toe walley - the right leg is placed on the inside edge and she keep that inside right up until she picks and jumps.