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Karina1974
05-24-2012, 09:17 PM
Sure you can drive regular speeds in the rain. You cannot do that in flooding conditions (obviously), or if the rain is coming down so heavily you have no visibility. But otherwise, I think you'd have to be a pretty poor driver to not be able to drive normally in the rain.



I was driving normally in the rain (and it was only drizzle), and I ended up spinning out across all 3 lanes of I-87, and slamming my back end into a guardrail, which resulted in $5,000-worth of damage. And don't even think about blaming my tire tread or lack thereof; my car had just passed NYS inspection only 12 days previous, and they do look at your tire tread when they inspect it.

I'll take snow over rain any day.

cruisin
05-24-2012, 09:26 PM
Sure you can drive regular speeds in the rain. You cannot do that in flooding conditions (obviously), or if the rain is coming down so heavily you have no visibility. But otherwise, I think you'd have to be a pretty poor driver to not be able to drive normally in the rain.

Would also point out more accidents are caused by people driving too slow than too fast.

Sorry Ag, but you're wrong here. I am an excellent driver and I sun out in the rain. See below.


I was driving normally in the rain (and it was only drizzle), and I ended up spinning out across all 3 lanes of I-87, and slamming my back end into a guardrail, which resulted in $5,000-worth of damage. And don't even think about blaming my tire tread or lack thereof; my car had just passed NYS inspection only 12 days previous, and they do look at your tire tread when they inspect it.

I'll take snow over rain any day.

Not going to tell the whole story, since i have told it here before, but: I hydroplaned in the rain doing 40 MPH, 15 MPH below the speed limit. There was puddling on the road, but not flooding. The puddle caught my tire the wrong way and I spun out. You cannot control a hydroplaning car, I don't care who you are and how well you drive.

Skateycat, you can't go wrong with either of those cars. I personally prefer the Toyota, but I have owned Toyotas/Toyota products since 1986. I have a very high level of confidence in their products.

skateycat
05-24-2012, 09:38 PM
I subscribed to Consumer Reports' website, and what I'm reading is making me not want to bother with the Hyundai, but I might take a ride just to get it out of my system.

Same with the Nissan Sentra. Some things sound as good or better than the Toyotas and Hondas, fuel economy is not quite as good, but I might consider it.

Gazpacho
05-24-2012, 09:43 PM
I liked the Honda and the Toyota equally well. They both rode nice. The Honda gets slightly better mileage. I like the creature comforts and the dash a little better in the Toyota. If they're the same price, I'd personally go for the better dash and creature comforts over the slightly better gas mileage. (I assume "slightly better" 2-3 mpg, not 5-6 mpg.) Those little annoyances in terms of lack of creature comforts add up. Or you can try to get the Honda people to throw in those features for free.

TheGirlCanSkate
05-24-2012, 09:58 PM
I have a Nissan and it feels junky next to my Toyota and old Hondas. Just as brand names got I would go for one of those. I'd get a Scion before a Corolla thoguh...they look cooler! :D

By junky I mean plastic parts are falling off - door handle ($150 to replace), steering wheel peeling, dash has a crack, Cd player quit at year 4, can't charge anything or the fuse blows (dealer insists it's every product plugged in (3 different phone chargers over time)), it kind of rattles... It's 7 years this summer and less than 60,000 miles. My Toyota is 0 years old and nothing has broken off. I mean really...The driver's door handle? thanks Nissan! I'll stick with Honda and Toyota if I am ever in the new car market again.

Kind of funny - it was built in Mexico and the people who built it left tools in it - a heavy duty wrench under the driver's seat and and a screwdriver in the trunk. On the NICO site (Nissan forum) I learned I was not the only who got a free wrench! :D Ir lost a door handle :(.

cruisin
05-24-2012, 10:04 PM
If they're the same price, I'd personally go for the better dash and creature comforts over the slightly better gas mileage. (I assume "slightly better" 2-3 mpg, not 5-6 mpg.) Those little annoyances in terms of lack of creature comforts add up. Or you can try to get the Honda people to throw in those features for free.

I don't think Honda does that. When I've bought my Toyotas, there were always 2 or 3 packages, then there were individual add ons. When i bought my mother's Honda Accord, we could get it either basic (which did have quite a bit) or loaded. No add ons, and effectively 2 packages.

agalisgv
05-24-2012, 10:20 PM
I am an excellent driver Not if you're doing this:
I still, almost 10 years later, hate driving in the rain. I drive (probably too) slow, and I leave enormous space between my car and the one in front of me. That's the sign of a poor driver---sorry. And if you're still whigging out about something from 10 years before, you're' really not what I would call a good driver.

Again, sorry.
And don't even think about blaming my tire tread or lack thereof I won't--I think anyone incapable of driving at regular speeds in light to moderate rain probably shouldn't be on the road. The fact that you ended up crashing only validates that view.

TheGirlCanSkate
05-24-2012, 11:22 PM
You must drive where it rains frequently. Here rain means everyone slows down 5-10mph. The oil and grim on wet roads makes the roads extra slippery.

Driving in the rain is different than driving in good weather.

UMBS Go Blue
05-24-2012, 11:31 PM
I heart agal! :inavoid: :swoon:

cruisin
05-24-2012, 11:56 PM
Not if you're doing this: That's the sign of a poor driver---sorry. And if you're still whigging out about something from 10 years before, you're' really not what I would call a good driver.

No, the sign of a poor driver is one who doesn't get a feel for the road and slow down accordingly. The sign of a poor driver is one who doesn't leave enough room between them and the car in front of them, so that if they spin out, they don't hit them. In my opinion the absolute worst driver is one who tailgates. And for the record, I don't "wig out". I do get anxious when there is puddling on the road, because I KNOW what can happen, even if you're careful. And I don't drive too slow for reasonable traffic, and I stay in the right lane.


Again, sorry. I won't--I think anyone incapable of driving at regular speeds in light to moderate rain probably shouldn't be on the road. The fact that you ended up crashing only validates that view.

You don't know what the surface of the road was like. If there is a lot of oil in the road, it comes up to the surface when it rains. It can be treacherous.


You must drive where it rains frequently. Here rain means everyone slows down 5-10mph. The oil and grime on wet roads makes the roads extra slippery.

Driving in the rain is different than driving in good weather.

Exactly!

LilJen
05-25-2012, 12:09 AM
Hello again!

I have just test driven 3 of the cars on my list

2012 Kia Forte
2012 Honda Civic LX
2012 Toyota Corolla

I did not like the brakes on the Kia Forte. Way too grabby, and I had to think too hard about braking carefully for my comfort. The salesman tried to tell me it was a new car thing and that it would get better, but the Honda and the Toyota were not like that.

I liked the Honda and the Toyota equally well. They both rode nice. The Honda gets slightly better mileage. I like the creature comforts and the dash a little better in the Toyota. The salesman asked if I wanted to get a call from him and was agreeable when I said no, I will call you when I'm ready. The Kia salesman was also pleasant, but I'm going to kick the Kia off my list.

Skateycat, if you're of a religious Christian persuasion you might want to know that the disciples definitely drove a Honda. Because they were all in one Accord. :slinkaway

(I know, REALLY bad joke.)

agalisgv
05-25-2012, 12:21 AM
I don't drive too slow for reasonable traffic You just admitted in a previous post:
I drive (probably too) slow Driving too slow is associated with higher incidences of car crashes than driving fast.
This graph shows that crash risk is minimized for those drivers travelling 10-15 km/h over the average speed. (Average speeds in BC are almost always over posted speeds.) Contrary to popular belief, there are more crashes at slower speeds than at faster speeds...there is a U-shaped relationship which shows few fast drivers involved in crashes, and many more slow drivers involved in crashes.http://sense.bc.ca/research.htm

The sign of a poor driver is one who doesn't leave enough room between them and the car in front of them, so that if they spin out, they don't hit them. Good drivers don't spin out in the first place. If you do not know how to brake properly in various weather conditions without spinning out, you shouldn't be on the road.

nursebetty
05-25-2012, 03:19 AM
Wow, thank's for this tread, I'm in the same boat. The warranty is off my car and it's to expensive to keep up. (I've been having some problems). I have driven Toyotas and Hondas in the past, but was also looking at the Hyundai and the Ford Escort. Am leaning towards the Corolla.

Karina1974
05-25-2012, 03:32 AM
Not if you're doing this: That's the sign of a poor driver---sorry. And if you're still whigging out about something from 10 years before, you're' really not what I would call a good driver.

Again, sorry. I won't--I think anyone incapable of driving at regular speeds in light to moderate rain probably shouldn't be on the road. The fact that you ended up crashing only validates that view.

FYI, I've had my license since January 1996, and that is the ONLY time an accident like that has happened to me. And you may want to look up the definition of the phrase "speed not prudent for prevailing road conditions" - specifically for NYS, because both our local and state police have the right to pull over and ticket drivers who try to drive "normally" in inclement weather.

Also FYI, I took driving lessons from March 1995 until I left for college last September. At NO TIME did I ever get any practice on dealing with inclement road conditions. I've never heard of any driving school that purposefully takes a student out in crappy weather so they can get the feel of driving in rain or snow, and just reading the driver's manual you are expected to study for your written test is no substitute. My first time driving in the rain actually took place in July 1995, when I drove from Schenectady, NY up to Old Forge, NY (in the Adirondacks - it's a 2.5 hour drive each way) to pick up my father from Camp Russell, where he had spent a week with his Scout troop. It was in the middle of a major storm that brought widespread power outages and other damage (downed trees, leaning and snapped off power poles, etc.) to various areas of upstate NY. I still only had my permit, so I wasn't alone in the car, actually a '93 Plymouth Voyager that I'd only had a week of practice.

And you think I'm a bad driver? How about you come up to the Adirondacks some winter and try driving old Military Road from just outside Saranac Lake to Lake Placid, and then Route 73 between Lake Placid and Exit 30 of the Northway in an ice/sleet storm, at night? East-bound, so you can tackle the formidable hill that drops you into the Town of Keene. Oh yeah, and try driving it at the posted speed limit, which is 55 in some spots, since you think a "good" driver should be able to take less-than-ideal road conditions at speed. I'll follow you so I can :rolleyes: and :rofl: when you have a mishap, which you will if you try driving as "good" as you think other drivers should be driving. I took that same route back in December 2004 (I was actually coming from the town of Bloomingdale, 15 miles SW of Plattsburgh), on my way back from visiting my brother's family, in those very same conditions, and I neither went off the road nor spun out, because I tailored my speed to the prevailing conditions.

Thank goodness for ignore lists, because you've just become the latest addition to mine.

agalisgv
05-25-2012, 03:40 AM
And you think I'm a bad driver? Yes

If you cannot drive at regular speed through rain drizzle (which is what you claimed cause you to get into an accident by your own fault resulting in $5000 worth of damage), you're a poor driver.