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haribobo
04-08-2012, 01:03 PM
Who should make the team for Europeans? Here's the results from Nationals-

http://www.intlgymnast.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3183:ignatyev-prevails-at-russian-championships&catid=5:competition-reports&Itemid=221

Nikita Ignatyev should definitely go as the AA gold medalist, with 15.8 on VT, 15.1 on HB, 15.4 on RI, 14.8 on PB, and 14.7 on FL. He could contribute on all these events.

Emin Garibov should also go as AA silver medalist, posting a 15.5 on PB, 15.6 on HB, and an ok 14.7 on RI and 14.9 on VT.

Igor Pakhomenko, I would also send as bronze medalist, with 15.1 on FL, 15.0 on POM, 15.1 on VT, and 14.7 on RI. I don't know if he's ever made a Euros or World team and hence I'm worried he will be passed over.

Anton Golotsutskov scored 15.5 on FL and only 14.4 on VT, and fairly low on 2 other events so I don't know how his chances are looking. He did score 2 bronze medals at Euros 2011 on those events, and silver on vault at Worlds also. But he doesn't seem capable of contributing in other events.

David Belyavsky - should defintiely make the team with 15.2 on FL, 15.3 on POM, and 15.3 on PB. With ok marks on VT and RI, he can play backup on those events also. He scored well at Worlds.

Denis Ablyazin - is another that should definitely go, after an impressive Russia Cup and also good Nationals, and good scores at Worlds. He scored 15.7 on FL, 15.8 on RI, and 15.1 on VT at Nationals.

Alexander Balandin- should be somewhat of a factor after 2011 Euros silver on Rings- he scored 15.9 at Nationals also. But his only other semi good event seems to be PB where he scored 14.9, so he could easily be passed over.

Konstantin Pluzhnikov - won gold at 2011 Euros on Rings and scored 16.0 at Nationals, but can't contribute anywhere else, it seems.

Maxin Devyatovsky- scored 15.8 on vault and a decent 14.9 on PB and 14.6 on HB and 14.7 on RI. As he can post solid scores on several events, he's not a bad choice, but as neither a top AAer nor a medal contendor on any event, he could be passed over also.

Vladimir Olennikov- is listed for his 14.9 on POM and 15.3 on VT, but I doubt that will be enough to get him on the team.

Pavel Russinyak- got 15.8 on VT, and looks to be a solid backup on RI 14.7, PB 14.9, and HB 14.6. Not a bad a choice.

Sergei Khorokhordin - got 15.1 on PB and 14.8 on HB, 14.8 on RI, 14.7 on FL, and 14.0 on POM, so he could get chosen just for being reliable on almost all events.

Andrei Perevoznikov- 15.3 on POM is impressive, but low scores on all other events makes him almost a pointless choice.

So I see the team as Garibov, Ignatyev, Belyavsky, Ablyazin, and then probably Golotsuskov and maybe Pakhomenko. Khorokhordin, Russinyak, Devyatovsky, and Balandin really complicate things though. Very tough choice!

Domshabfan
04-08-2012, 04:30 PM
My choice is the top 4 all rounders and an event specialist.

Nikita Ignatiev, Emin Garibov, Igor Pakhomenko, David Belyavski and Denis Ablyazin.

Russia cannot effort to have more than one event specialist due to 5-3-3 nature of the competition. So the event specialist position is a battle between Ablyazin and Golotsutskov, Denis has a 7.1 floor D score, highest in the world. Along with 7.0 and 7.2 vaults and a 6.7 Rings. Anton golotsutskov cannot match him on floor and can only narrowly beat him on vault, if Anton can land his vault (he fell on both his vaults during the qualification)

Strangely enough the 4 Russian can cover rest of the event,

Floor: Igor and David along with Denis, Nikita is a very good back up.
PH : Igor and David can score well when they hit, Emin is very useful as well when he does not mess up his dismount.
Rings: Denis, Nikita are very good and Igor or Emin can score in mid 14.7-14.8 on the event.
Vault: David and Denis both have 7.0 D score vault of higher, Igor or Nikita can do a 6.6 D score vault.
PB: David and Emin can score really well. Nikita ignatiev can score in mid 14s
HB: Emin can score well, Igor can also match him on a good day. Nikita or David will have do the third spot, both are risky choices.

Russians have a hard choice especially with Sergei khorokhordin, he is the veteran and can score ok on PB, HB and PH but his D score is not exceptional in any of the events

Loves_Shizuka
04-08-2012, 04:51 PM
I'm really excited about Belyavskiy's progress but he had some falls at Nats :(

Domshabfan
04-08-2012, 04:53 PM
I'm really excited about Belyavskiy's progress but he had some falls at Nats :(

yes 3 times during AA, he sat down his vault and fell twice on HB

Loves_Shizuka
04-08-2012, 04:54 PM
^Have you seen him lately? Has he filled out at all?

Domshabfan
04-08-2012, 04:55 PM
^Have you seen him lately? Has he filled out at all?

yes, he looks the same. He is :swoon:

ETA : here is the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5hhNMRPEw) of him from nationals, long distance video yet you can sort of see what i mean.

Loves_Shizuka
04-08-2012, 04:58 PM
He really is :swoon: AND I like his work!

haribobo
04-09-2012, 09:54 AM
"Twelve gymnasts are in the running for the Russian men's Olympic team, head coach Andrei Rodionenko announced following the conclusion of the national championships Sunday in Penza.

The gymnasts contending for London are Denis Ablyazin, Alexander Balandin, David Belyavsky, Andrei Cherkasov, Maxim Devyatovsky, Emin Garibov, Anton Golotsutskov, Nikita Ignatyev, Sergei Khorokhordin, Igor Pakhomenko, Konstantin Pluzhnikov and Dmitry Stolyarov. "

http://www.intlgymnast.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3194:russian-championships-conclude-in-penza&catid=5:competition-reports&Itemid=164

So Olennikov and Russinyak from my poll have been eliminated, as well as Perevoznikov, whom I mentioned in my post. Those who did make the 12 contendors that are not on my poll are Cherkasov and Stoyarov, though based on my scores I don't see them as real factors.

Senior Parallel Bars Final D E ND Score
1. David Belyavsky UFO 6.400 8.667 15.067
2. Sergei Khorokhordin CFO/SFO 6.500 8.467 14.967
3. Alexander Balandin SZFO 6.100 8.533 14.633

Senior Vault Final D E ND Score Average
1. Denis Ablyazin MOS/PFO 7.000 9.233 16.233 16.267
7.200 9.100 16.300
2. Andrei Sovenko YUFO 6.200 8.767 14.967 14.517
5.400 8.667 14.067
3. Nikita Lezhankin UFO 6.200 8.533 0.1 14.633 14.367
6.600 7.500 14.100

Senior Still Rings Final D E ND Score
1. Konstantin Pluzhnikov SFO 6.800 9.033 15.833
2. Alexander Balandin SZFO 6.900 8.867 15.767
3. Denis Ablyazin MOS/PFO 6.700 8.833 15.533

Senior Floor Exercise Final D E ND Score
1. Denis Ablyazin MOS/PFO 7.100 8.467 15.567
2. Andrei Cherkasov SFO 6.400 8.500 0.1 14.800
3. David Belyavsky UFO 6.200 8.567 14.767

Senior Pommel Horse Final D E ND Score
1. Andrei Perevoznikov CFO 6.400 8.900 15.300
2. Igor Pakhomenko SFO 6.200 8.667 14.867
3. Vladimir Olennikov MOS 6.000 8.633 14.633

Senior High Bar Final D E ND Score
1. Emin Garibov MOS 7.200 8.133 15.333
2. Sergei Khorokhordin CFO/SFO 6.200 7.967 14.167
3. Mikhail Bodnar MOS/CFO 6.800 7.133 13.933


So the multiple event medalists are Albyazin (RI, VT, FL), Khorokhordin (HB, PB), Belyavsky (FL, PB), and Balandin (RI, PB).

haribobo
04-09-2012, 10:16 AM
Nikita Ignatiev, Emin Garibov, Igor Pakhomenko, David Belyavski and Denis Ablyazin.

I approve of your team for the Olympics. Do they get a sixth teammate for Euros?

Plugging in scores from Nationals-

RI- Albyazin 15.8, Ignatyev 15.4, Garibov 14.7 or Pakhomenko 14.7
HB- Garibov 15.6, Ignatyev 15.1
PB - Garibov 15.5, Belyavsky 15.3, Ignatyev 14.8
FL- Albyazin 15.7, Pakhomenko 15.1, Belyavsky 15.2
VT- Albyazin 16.3, Ignatyev 15.8, Pakhomenko 15.1
POM- Belyavsky 15.3, Pakhomenko 15.0

Laying it out, it seems that this really needs to be the team unless injuries come into play somewhere. Albyazin is obviously amazing, and taking away any of those from HB or Pommel could really mess up the team, given how the alternatives aren't as strong in those events...the 3rd spot on those 2 events is going to be a bit worrisome, but not much can be done about that without seriously messing up the others.

Domshabfan
04-09-2012, 01:57 PM
I approve of your team for the Olympics. Do they get a sixth teammate for Euros?

Plugging in scores from Nationals-

RI- Albyazin 15.8, Ignatyev 15.4, Garibov 14.7 or Pakhomenko 14.7
HB- Garibov 15.6, Ignatyev 15.1
PB - Garibov 15.5, Belyavsky 15.3, Ignatyev 14.8
FL- Albyazin 15.7, Pakhomenko 15.1, Belyavsky 15.2
VT- Albyazin 16.3, Ignatyev 15.8, Pakhomenko 15.1
POM- Belyavsky 15.3, Pakhomenko 15.0

Laying it out, it seems that this really needs to be the team unless injuries come into play somewhere. Albyazin is obviously amazing, and taking away any of those from HB or Pommel could really mess up the team, given how the alternatives aren't as strong in those events...the 3rd spot on those 2 events is going to be a bit worrisome, but not much can be done about that without seriously messing up the others.

You missed scores from the team finals
HB Pakhomenko 15.267
VT Pakhomenko 15.667, Belyavsky 15.8

Score from the world championships 2011
PH Garibov 14.466(Q)
Vault : Ablyazin 16.4(Q), Belyavski 16.233(AA), Ignatiev 16.000(Q), garibov 15.500(AA)
PB: Ablyazin 14.200(Q)

Europeans are 5 member teams like the 2010 European championships. Russians have a very good team and there are other who could become contenders for Olympics team in coming months. The team in general will be very young compared to russian teams of the past.

haribobo
05-25-2012, 01:58 AM
So, Russia went with its usual team and ended up with some pretty good results overall but also some major holes in high bar and pommel- here's how they scored-

FL- Ablyazin - 15.6, Golotsutskov- 15.0, Belyavskiy- 14.6
POM- Garibov 14.6, Belyavskiy- 14.5, Golo 11.7 :yikes:
RI- Balandin 15.4, Ablyazin 15.0, Garibov 14.3
VT- Ablyazin 16.3, Golo 16.1, Belyavskiy 15.4
PB- Garibov 14.7, Belyavskiy 14.6, Balandin 14.3
HB Garibov 15.3, Golo 13.5 :yikes:, Belyavskiy 12.7 :yikes:

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FL- Ablyazin - 15.6, Belyavskiy- 14.6
POM- Garibov 14.6, Belyavskiy- 14.5,
RI- Ablyazin 15.0, Garibov 14.3
VT- Ablyazin 16.3, Belyavskiy 15.4
PB- Garibov 14.7, Belyavskiy 14.6
HB Garibov 15.3

I went ahead and removed Balandin and Golo from the team and took Belyavskiy's HB score out- so we are left needing 1 good score on FL, POM, RI, VT, and PB each, and 2 good scores on HB.

*If* Ignatyev and Pakhomenko could repeat their highest scores from Nationals, the team could fill all the spots nicely-

HB- Pakhomenko 15.267 and Ignatyev 15.1
VT- Pakhomenko 15.667 or Ignatyev 15.8
RI- Ignatyev 15.4
PB - Ignatyev 14.8
FL- Pakhomenko 15.1
POM- Pakhomenko 15.0

Take .5 off of these scores, and these guys are still filling out the team better than Balandin and Golo. Interesting food for thought there.

Domshabfan
05-25-2012, 05:59 AM
I think russian coaches were also looking at the individual medals when they picked the team, so the reason why Baladin was picked . He did ok on 2 events he did. After all he is in 2nd on Rings to home athlete, plus Baladin can do a routine with 6.9 on rings.

I would replace Golot with Pakhomenko...

Comparison between the two Golot-Pakho

Vault : 16.1-15.6
Fx : 15.0 15.1
Pom: 11.7 :scream: - 15.0
HB: 13.5 - 15.2

Total 56.3- 60.9 (-2.00 home bonus =58.9)


The increase is by 2.6 points, which would have put them ahead of GBR in qualification. Though i don't think russkies can sub an athletes unless the athlete is injured ;). this would mean Golot will also has to pull out of vault final. I think russians are giving Golot a life time achievement gift for keeping the russian gymnastics in the limelight when it was almost invisible in the international arena.

Buzz
05-25-2012, 12:39 PM
No one voted for Golotsutskov?! :(

Domshabfan
06-13-2012, 01:22 PM
Russia has already announced that Emin Garbov (HB, PB, PH, useful on rings),
Baladin (Rings, useful on PB) and Ablayazin(Rings, Vault, floor) are selected for the team. The two vacant spots will have to be filled by 2 AAs for any chance to put a good score at the Olympics. So, i think the let two spots will be filled by two from the 5 relatively good AAs.

scores comparison from the cup.

PH
David Belyavsky 14.8
Igor Pakhomenko 14.3
Sergei Khorkodin 14.2
Nikita Ignatiev 13.7
Andrei Cherkasov 13.4

Garibov is useful and can score 14.6-14.8 range
Vault
Ablyazin 16.2
Belyavsky 12.9 (he balked his vault):slinkaway
Khorkhordin 15.4
Pakhomenko 15.3
Ignatiev 15.7
Cherkasov 15.7

Floor
Ablyazin 15.7
Belyavsky 15.2
Khorkhordin 14.9
Pakhomenko 14.7
Cherkasov 15.0
Ignatiev 14.4

Rings
Baladin 15.5
Ablyazin 15.35
khorkhordin 15.05
Ignatiev 14.95
Belyavsky 14.5
Cherkasov 14.2
Pakhomenko 14.3

Parellel Bar
khorkhordin 15.2
Ignatiev 14.85
Pakhomenko 12.25:yikes:
Cherkasov 11.4:scream:
Belyavsky 15.35
Baladin 14.55

Garibov can score in 14.7+

High Bar

Garibov is european champion on the event 15.833

Khorkordin 14.3
cherkasov 14.75
Ignatiev 14.35
pakhomenko 13.4
David Belyavsky 14.65
Ablyazin 12.8 (he fell)

Overall i think Sergei and David fits the bill for Russia, David will confirm his position if he can land the 7.0 vault to his leg tomorrow .

The-all-round.com (http://the-all-around.com/2012/06/13/russian-cup-khorokhordin-leads-after-qualification/) has a report on the event

Buzz
06-13-2012, 01:32 PM
My vote goes to Khorkhordin & Belyavsky but a bit surprised that Garibov will not be doing AA