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arakwafan2006
04-05-2012, 01:46 PM
Guys, are my eyes playing tricks on me or was this a marvelous 3/3 from Mao?

http://youtu.be/UpM4J8YIPpk?t=28m19s

antmanb
04-05-2012, 02:07 PM
Yep looked like 3F+3LP to me.

Rock2
04-05-2012, 03:16 PM
she has such deceptive power. What I liked the most about the combo was the fully rotated loop with a very clean and solid edge on the landing. Not her strongest trait...

Macassar88
04-05-2012, 03:45 PM
Very nice. Hopefully she can incorporate the triple triple into her short and her free skate. With the triple triple and the lutz and the triple axel, she would have a shot at beating the wonderbabies.

SLIVER
04-05-2012, 04:28 PM
She doesnt have the triple axel anymore, she needs to surrender the fantasy. The faster she does, the faster she will be number 1 again. She has more than enough amunition to be world champion and has wasted a few opportunities in the last year by stubbornly attempting a jump that gets her no where.
This whole jump has marred her career, not enhanced it. She focuses on it so much, kills the start of her programmes, no choreography or transitions before the jump and she looks petrified until its over. After she misses it, she is shaken, distracted and it ruins the rest of the programme. Carolina K won this year with no lutz or axel, Mao could have easily done the same.

l'etoile
04-05-2012, 05:43 PM
Mao's had history of hitting 3f-3lo successfully in competitions a few years ago. From the looks of it, that combo would be ratified but needs clearer and slower motion to be sure.
With Russian wondababies coming up, I think Mao feels more need to do both 3A AND 3-3. That's why she's been hitting 3A no matter the result. Theoretically speaking, once she gets solid 3As and then works a little more on 3-3, she has tech content to beat the wonderbabies sufficiently. But it's only hypothetical assumption, which is unlikely to happen given Mao's track of records for the past two seasons. :( She had a good chance of winning at Nice and hold the three world titles in her hand, but look what happened.

Louis
04-05-2012, 05:45 PM
Loop combinations are so heavily scrutinized on both the takeoff and landing that it's a huge risk to include them. Seems like almost everyone has stopped because even clean-looking ones get downgraded, supposedly because of the takeoff. Other than Caroline Zhang and Adelina Sotnikova, is anyone routinely trying them?

My take is that perhaps loop combinations deserve less scrutiny and/or a bit more leeway when it comes to downgrades.

Vash01
04-05-2012, 05:50 PM
Mao used to do 3f3R combination when she was young, and COP was not deducting points for every slightly underrotated triple. The 3R on the back end of a combination in particular is susceptible to an underrotation. That's why both Mao and Miki stopped doing it.

briancoogaert
04-05-2012, 05:55 PM
Very nice. Hopefully she can incorporate the triple triple into her short and her free skate. With the triple triple and the lutz and the triple axel, she would have a shot at beating the wonderbabies.
LOL, and with 2 quads, she could have a shot at beating everyone ! :P
I mean, she never had a good 3Lutz, her 3Axel never was reliable and got downgraded many times, her 3/3 looked perfect but were often downgraded as well.
She needs to do her best with a lesser technical content, IMO. If she doesn't make mistakes, she can still win.

Macassar88
04-05-2012, 07:27 PM
She doesnt have the triple axel anymore, she needs to surrender the fantasy. The faster she does, the faster she will be number 1 again. She has more than enough amunition to be world champion and has wasted a few opportunities in the last year by stubbornly attempting a jump that gets her no where.
This whole jump has marred her career, not enhanced it. She focuses on it so much, kills the start of her programmes, no choreography or transitions before the jump and she looks petrified until its over. After she misses it, she is shaken, distracted and it ruins the rest of the programme. Carolina K won this year with no lutz or axel, Mao could have easily done the same.

Yeah but she will need the axel if she wants to beat the likes of lipnitskaya and tuktamysheva

robinhood
04-05-2012, 08:10 PM
her triple-triple combos look much better than her 3A...I still think Mao has it in her to dominate and be top of the pile again, even with the wŁnderkinder from Russia
I'm of the same opinion as SLIVER. drop the 3A, she doesn't need it. her skills and choreo are better than ever right now, and she gets high levels in her spins. Hope the Satos convince her and they adopt better strategy for next season

NMURA
04-05-2012, 08:22 PM
The most logical way to increase TES in the SP is introducing the 3F-3T. A 3F-3L is too risky and the 3Lz(e) is needed as a solo jump. Even when her 3A was ratified as long as she lands them, the success rate of 3F-3L was very low (about one in six). My impression is that Asada doesn't like 3F-3T because that is an "easy" jump which even Kim or others could do. The last time Asada did a 3F-3T is at 2008 worlds (+1.6 GOE), probably just wanted to prove that she could do it, even better than Kim could do. Asada's 3F-3T should be the real menace for Kim and Orser but Asada refused to use it as a tactical weapon, and clinged on to always underrotated 3F-3L (which is source of her pride as a prodigy). The 3A is now looked as the same way. As long as she's obsessed with the 3A, maybe 3-3s are put on the back seat. Asada's 2A-3T are often underrotated but got ratified twice in this season. Maybe her 3F-3T could be treated as well. The 3A or the 3F-3L which no other skaters do are scrutinized more closely.

Vash01
04-05-2012, 08:46 PM
Mao is mentally tough. She has already proven that. That's half the battle. With time and practice she can improve her jumps, including the 3A and a 3-3 combination. She needs to drop the 3A from the SP though. The risk is not worth it. She has many wonderful qualities to get high PCS.

aidan
04-05-2012, 09:37 PM
Loop combinations are so heavily scrutinized on both the takeoff and landing that it's a huge risk to include them. Seems like almost everyone has stopped because even clean-looking ones get downgraded, supposedly because of the takeoff. Other than Caroline Zhang and Adelina Sotnikova, is anyone routinely trying them?

My take is that perhaps loop combinations deserve less scrutiny and/or a bit more leeway when it comes to downgrades.

ITA. It seems like its so much more difficult to get a 3Loop at on the end of a combo, compared to a 3toe, but the scoring system doesn't really reflect that. Hopefully, when the scoring system is revised after 2014 they will increase the value of this skill, or at least set up a rule so it's not judged as harshly.

apatinar
04-05-2012, 10:39 PM
I also agree with Sliver - Mao's days of landing a consistent triple axel are long done. She is getting older and her body will break down really fast if she keeps this up. She can drop down to 80 lbs and still not be able to regain this jump. Some of the lutzes in the video looked to be on the correct edge while other lutzes look to be on the inside when she waits just a little longer than she should before picking in.. She needs that triple triple both in the short and the long in order to win. I have a funny feeling though that the Russian pre-school that will arrive at next year's worlds will do very well in the SP but then implode in the long program with all that pressure like Tuktemusheva at the GPF....