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skatingfan12
04-02-2012, 05:16 AM
Considering Jeremy Abbott and Adam Rippon's worse-than-expected showing at Worlds, are Johnny Weir and Evan Lysacek automatically the top 2 in the US with their comebacks? They both have experience and world medals.

Do you think they still can compete with the best in the world?

Even if Johnny and Evan go back to worlds next year, I honestly both of them are done in terms of winning medals at the World or Olympic level.

Vash01
04-02-2012, 05:22 AM
I am not sure either way. They could both skate better than ever or they may be completely out of shape for an eligible competition. At least I expect Evan to be ready; I can't imagine him showing up at the US nationals without putting in a lot of hard work. He may not win the nationals, but he might just make the world team. Johnny had struggled before he left the eligible scene. With his personal matters settled in a happy way, may be he will skate better than ever.

It's too early to call them the top 2 US men. Also I expect Miner, Dornbush and others (Brown, may be) to challenge these two and also Jeremy and Adam. The return of Evan and Johnny will definitely make the nationals even more interesting, regardless of the results.

bardtoob
04-02-2012, 05:40 AM
Lysacek and Weir Comeback: Are they US Top 2?

Who knows?

museksk8r
04-02-2012, 03:15 PM
We'll be better off with Farris and Brown instead of these 2 coming back.

museksk8r
04-02-2012, 03:20 PM
duplicate post.

Yazmeen
04-02-2012, 03:21 PM
Why would we be better off? Not picking on you, but I'd like to hear the logic behind your statement, especially considering triple axels/quads are issues with those two younger skaters.

museksk8r
04-02-2012, 03:26 PM
Why would we be better off? Not picking on you, but I'd like to hear the logic behind your statement, especially considering triple axels/quads are issues with those two younger skaters.

And quads and triples Axels are not issues with Evan? LOL, you MUST be kidding! Weir has never landed a clean quad in competition. He always 2-footed or UR'ed it. The climate of men's skating has changed so drastically since those 2 were in the game. Now you have to do the quad and perhaps even multiple quads to be successful. You can't honestly think either can compete with Chan, Hanyu, or Takahashi and be successful unless the 3 of them make many mistakes. Coming back after many seasons being away from competition is not a cake walk; remember Sasha Cohen. Not everyone is cut out to be a Plushenko.

Cheylana
04-02-2012, 03:51 PM
And quads and triples Axels are not issues with Evan? LOL, you MUST be kidding! Weir has never landed a clean quad in competition. He always 2-footed or UR'ed it. The climate of men's skating has changed so drastically since those 2 were in the game. Now you have to do the quad and perhaps even multiple quads to be successful. You can't honestly think either can compete with Chan, Hanyu, or Takahashi and be successful unless the 3 of them make many mistakes. Coming back after many seasons being away from competition is not a cake walk; remember Sasha Cohen. Not everyone is cut out to be a Plushenko.
You make good points, but the question wasn't whether they can compete with the men on the Worlds podium; the question is whether they can compete against our current US men's crop. ;)

At first I was happy when Evan and Johnny stopped competing because that left Jeremy (my fave) as the clear #1 US guy. But now I'm thinking maybe Jeremy isn't all that comfortable in that role. So I wouldn't mind if one or both came back. Let Evan or Johnny (or Jeremy if he's up for it) be the Michelle Kwan of the bunch, while Farris, Brown, Dornbush etc. be the Sarah Hughes (i.e., improve and gain experience in the shadows and not be prematurely burdened by enormous pressure).

museksk8r
04-02-2012, 04:36 PM
You make good points, but the question wasn't whether they can compete with the men on the Worlds podium; the question is whether they can compete against our current US men's crop. ;)

The OP questioned "Do you think they still can compete with the best in the world?" And my answer is no. If Abbott skates at Nationals the way he did in 2009, 2010, and 2012, I also don't think they can beat him at that event. JMO.

judgejudy27
04-02-2012, 04:48 PM
Weir? Hell no. He was already behind Abbott mostly in 2009-2010 when he last competed, he would be much further behind now. I give him 2% chance to make another U.S World team if he comes back, all things considered. I actually like Johnny, but after his tell all book the USFSA will be out with knives and scalpel waiting for him, barring showing up with quads and things he has never done before. I just wish there were more shows and tours in the U.S to see his beautiful skating still.

Lysacek? We will have to see if he returns. I dont think he will return since while he could still be competitive in the U.S he would have no chance of winning a major title on the World level, and so it wouldnt be worth it.

judgejudy27
04-02-2012, 04:51 PM
The OP questioned "Do you think they still can compete with the best in the world?" And my answer is no. If Abbott skates at Nationals the way he did in 2009, 2010, and 2012, I also don't think they can beat him at that event. JMO.

ITA. I dont think Johnny in an amateur competition would even be able to match his peformances at the 2010 Olympics which were only placed 6th (should have been higher for sure, but he hasnt been in favor of either international or national judges in years), and even those performances would struggle to be top 10 now since the level of mens skating has catapulted much higher since then.

Evan at his best would get blown away by Takahashi's LP from Worlds, and yet that was only placed 3rd in the LP.

As for Abbott he hasnt lost to either Johnny or even Evan at Natioanls since 2008 and always seems to skate his best there. The USFSA seems to continue to support him despite his constant failures on the World stage. I dont see Johnny coming anywhere near beating him at Nationals, while Evan would probably have to skate lights out to do so, unless Jeremy has a rare off Nationals (2011).

I agree with the poster on another thread who said their supposed comebacks are just a PR ruse anyway. After watching the LPs at Worlds either will be scared shitless (rightfully so) to even contemplate it anymore.

mgobluegirl
04-02-2012, 04:57 PM
Why would we be better off? Not picking on you, but I'd like to hear the logic behind your statement, especially considering triple axels/quads are issues with those two younger skaters.

Farris' short program this year was wonderful, both technically and artistically, and the idea of a Brown with a consistent 3A and quad is :swoon:

judgejudy27
04-02-2012, 05:00 PM
Off topic a bit but I also find it funny when people talk about Weir being much more accomplished than Abbott. Evan of course, but Johnny, really? OK Johnny has a single World bronze. Abbott has a GP final title. I would probably actually rather have the latter, if I had to choose, atleast it is a big title just below the level of Worlds, and much bigger than anything Johnny has won. Both have won international events, and 3 U.S titles. Johnny also has two GP final bronzes and has been to 2 Olympics. I say their careers are roughly on par. If I was a skater and aksed which career I would prefer I would probably just flip a coin and take whichever one, I wouldnt have a strong feeling for either, but atleast Abbott could still achieve more if he even gets himself together.

Cheylana
04-02-2012, 05:01 PM
The OP questioned "Do you think they still can compete with the best in the world?" And my answer is no. If Abbott skates at Nationals the way he did in 2009, 2010, and 2012, I also don't think they can beat him at that event. JMO.
Ok, fair enough, it looks like the OP asked two different questions, one in the title and one in the post. I also doubt they will be back, anyway.

pinky166
04-02-2012, 05:03 PM
I doubt they come back, but if they do, I don't think they will just be able to show up at Nationals and wind up top 2. It didn't work out for Sasha when she tried. And things have changed since Evan won Olympic gold, he'd need a quad in at least the FS to be competitive now, and it's been years since he's had a consistent quad. Johnny also hasn't done quads in a long time and for him the quad is even more crucial than it is for Evan, considering he had the skates of his life at the 2010 Olympics and ended up 6th.