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johndockley92
04-01-2012, 03:54 AM
I get that he's good. He really is, but i feel like he is wayyyyy overrated. He gets marks that are much higher than they should be, and if performed by other, less reputable skaters, they'd recieve lower marks. What do you think?

Skate Talker
04-01-2012, 04:10 AM
I think some of us found this poll faster than others ;)

Jenna
04-01-2012, 04:12 AM
Oh dear. I can already envision how ugly this thread is going to get.

euterpe
04-01-2012, 04:18 AM
Chan didn't skate that well today. He didn't blow away the competition this time. But his marks were a bit lower than usual---he didn't get all 9s in PCS.

IMO, Takahashi's PCS should have been higher and the margin should have been closer.

I think Chan will be getting some stiff competition in the future from Hanyu, so results may no longer be so one-sided.

sequins
04-01-2012, 04:18 AM
Is this really necessary? We need a poll now to see just how much hate there really is for him:rolleyes:.

taf2002
04-01-2012, 04:28 AM
Why is this poll in GSD? Shouldn't it be in the Trash Can where I can ignore it?

kppt
04-01-2012, 04:32 AM
Chan didn't skate that well today. He didn't blow away the competition this time. But his marks were a bit lower than usual---he didn't get all 9s in PCS.

IMO, Takahashi's PCS should have been higher and the margin should have been closer.

I think Chan will be getting some stiff competition in the future from Hanyu, so results may no longer be so one-sided.

ITA with your entire post. Overall, I do think the right medals were awarded based on 2 programs, but Chan should be worried about the young Japanese skater.

kppt
04-01-2012, 04:38 AM
IMO Chan is sometimes over marked in PC's, however I recall several competitions earlier in his senior career where it was the opposite. I think just a few years ago Joubert earned higher PC's than Chan, which at the time was disgraceful. I also think when you perform such high-scoring elements (I.e., 4T & 4T+3T in the same program), it adds to the PC's in the judges' minds. Not saying this is justified always, just food for thought.

jettasian
04-01-2012, 05:01 AM
How's Chan over marked in PC's?

Skating Skill, he's second to none.
Transition, every element is linked.
Choreography, well balance program through out, no rest at all, full of complexity through out.
Interpretation Skill, very subjective, some like, some don't. But for this year's LP, every move he makes match the music perfectly (except today which he's behind the music)
Performance, again, subjective. But I find he has great body line, elegant and classical. May not be everyone's taste, but that doesn't mean it's not good.

And I find this thread just yet another Chan bashing attempt.

VALuvsMKwan
04-01-2012, 05:05 AM
And I find this thread just yet another Chan bashing attempt.


Congratulations...you fell for the bait as you always do. Try harder to resist next time. ;)

jettasian
04-01-2012, 05:13 AM
All I have to say is, bring it on. The more Chan bashing they can come up with, the more they are showing their bitterness. It won't hurt Chan, just their constant pissy mood because someone they hate keeps on winning :)

jettasian
04-01-2012, 05:15 AM
I think Chan will be getting some stiff competition in the future from Hanyu, so results may no longer be so one-sided.

It's still a bit too early to tell. That Russian kid came out of nowhere last season to win bronze wasn't it? Where is he now? Besides, Hanyu's style is still too juniorish, and he always has a habit to run out of gas at the end of the long program. However, I do believe that he will be the next top Japanese skater.

RunnersHigh
04-01-2012, 05:21 AM
Why is this poll in GSD? Shouldn't it be in the Trash Can where I can ignore it?

this!

euterpe
04-01-2012, 06:13 AM
It's still a bit too early to tell. That Russian kid came out of nowhere last season to win bronze wasn't it? Where is he now? Besides, Hanyu's style is still too juniorish, and he always has a habit to run out of gas at the end of the long program. However, I do believe that he will be the next top Japanese skater.

Hanyu is only 18 (in December). Of course he is juniorish---he's just up from juniors, having won the WJC last year. IMO, there will be major improvements in his presentation and jump repertoire over the the next two years. He could be formidable by Sochi.

misskarne
04-01-2012, 07:53 AM
I hesitate to say he's over-rated.

He's got a lot of great skills, and his edges are beautiful. Having said that, however, there's no point having deep edges if you can't stay upright on them. The fact that he falls so much points towards a possible technique defect or mental weakness. It will be interesting to see how he copes when/if the judges finally start scoring him properly.

However, he really needs to work on his artistry. It's like watching a cold fish. No expression, no emotion. I tried, believe me I did. I almost wanted him to have some artistry so I could see the justification in the marks. No joy. When he skates, he has the emotional range of a teaspoon.