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Bournekraatzfan
04-10-2012, 10:09 AM
I've spent some time myself musing over V/M's programs and the claims by some that they're always "lovey-dovey romantic crap."

Where I've ended up is that there is always going to be a subset of people who will always label V/M's programs as "lovey-dovey" simply because of the connection that V/M have with each other. They could go out and skate to some heavy metal, dressed as punk rockers with pink and blue hair, and that one group would still call the program romantic.

V/M have done 6 senior FD's at this point. I'd call three of those traditionally romantic/romantic-ish--Mahler, UoC, and Valse Triste. Although their connection is evident in both (as it's evident in everything they put on the ice), I don't consider either the latin FD or especially the Pink Floyd FD to be romantic. Of course, these two programs came in the years that Tessa had to have surgery, so those FD's weren't out in front of people anywhere nearly as much as other programs in other years. They competed the Pink Floyd FD only 4 times--Canadian Nationals, 4CC, World's, and the WTT. The latin FD only made it out one full time. If they had been able to have full seasons with those programs, as someone else said, it might have helped impression-wise.

Funny Face falls into more of a gray area, IMO. It has romantic overtones (though certainly not lovey-dovey) just because of the movie, but it's far more of a character/broadway musical piece.

THIS! great post!
Their FDs differ from each other in theme, mood, rhythm, conceptualization of movement, and more importantly, in V&M's execution of these things. These are all fundamental elements of a dance. I also think they interpret love and attraction in varying ways in their programs.

twinktwink
04-10-2012, 11:45 AM
something i've been wondering, in your opinion, what do they express in the Pink Floyd program? they're super connected, but it doesnt look as romance.


For me whenever I saw PF, especially after the costumes changed to black I could see even more clearly how it looked like 2 people becoming 1. It was sensual and kind of had a feel of souls connecting on a deeper level.

That's why it bugs me so much when some of the criticism is so generalised down to the routines being 'romantic'. I think their routines are about the relationships and connections between a man and a woman, which is what I would expect to see in dance in the first place.

clarie
04-10-2012, 12:52 PM
Oh ok thanks. It sounded like they got into a fight or something and made up, but thanks for clearing it up.

Maybe Scott was hungover from a little too much celebrating :lol:. Just kidding!

Off the subject but I'm thrilled about being accepted for the (curling champs) Tournament of Hearts next fall. Lounges - Hosting/Serving in Volunteer, VIP & Sponsor Lounges . I just hope I don't have to miss any figure skating ;)

aka_gerbil
04-10-2012, 04:28 PM
A few pics of V/M at an event this morning to try to drum up support for World's in London next year have made their way to twitter:

http://twitter.com/#!/lisaxing/status/189693463896403968/photo/1
http://yfrog.com/kk2m2abj

It also looks like they'll be doing a radio interview later today:
http://twitter.com/#!/Pulse980/status/189723854262910976

ETA:
A couple more have popped up.
http://yfrog.com/hw1fkrbj
http://yfrog.com/ntmxheoj

ETA2:
There's an article now. :)
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/04/10/19614121.html

martyross
04-10-2012, 04:39 PM
For me whenever I saw PF, especially after the costumes changed to black I could see even more clearly how it looked like 2 people becoming 1. It was sensual and kind of had a feel of souls connecting on a deeper level.

i really like your description.
imo Pink Floyd represents what ice dance should have become in the last 10-15 years. something that speaks about our time, instead of always 19th century or first half of 20th. otherwise it gets a cliche. T&S can captures the spirit of our age very well. P&B and the Kerrs too.
i believe Pink Floyd was a program that could attract a lot of non-skating fans.
I hope Zoueva goes back to modern music this year as she is very capable of translate it to the ice. but we must consider that her creativity could fade away with the years.
if she wants to go for romance, something in the vein of Buz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet would be good.
a comment on youtube that made me laugh:
"My jaw dropped when I saw this program for the 1st time. FINALLY someone does something innovative and creative! I'm so damn tired of those neverending classical/lyrical/romantic performances (and I love classic music) with over dramatized antics, arms flailing around, same ol' lifts, tasteless costumes etc. In my view, they should have won with this performance, but judges are way too conservative (and God knows what else is going on there with judging)."

sap5
04-10-2012, 05:07 PM
A few pics of V/M at an event this morning to try to drum up support for World's in London next year have made their way to twitter:

http://twitter.com/#!/lisaxing/status/189693463896403968/photo/1
http://yfrog.com/kk2m2abj

It also looks like they'll be doing a radio interview later today:
http://twitter.com/#!/Pulse980/status/189723854262910976

ETA:
A couple more have popped up.
http://yfrog.com/hw1fkrbj
http://yfrog.com/ntmxheoj

ETA2:
There's an article now. :)
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/04/10/19614121.html

You know what would be awesome? If V/M got some decent PR for themselves. PR that would convince businesses that they should hitch a ride to their names and it would pay off. They are, after all, the reigning Olympic and World Champs, and they had a lot of buzz after the Olympics.

Obviously that's a short term strategy for Skate Canada if V/M only stay for 2 more years, but at least it takes care of the immediate problem of London Worlds.



i really like your description.
imo Pink Floyd represents what ice dance should have become in the last 10-15 years. something that speaks about our time, instead of always 19th century or first half of 20th. otherwise it gets a cliche. T&S can captures the spirit of our age very well. P&B and the Kerrs too.
i believe Pink Floyd was a program that could attract a lot of non-skating fans.
I hope Zoueva goes back to modern music this year as she is very capable of translate it to the ice. but we must consider that her creativity could fade away with the years.
if she wants to go for romance, something in the vein of Buz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet would be good.
a comment on youtube that made me laugh:
"My jaw dropped when I saw this program for the 1st time. FINALLY someone does something innovative and creative! I'm so damn tired of those neverending classical/lyrical/romantic performances (and I love classic music) with over dramatized antics, arms flailing around, same ol' lifts, tasteless costumes etc. In my view, they should have won with this performance, but judges are way too conservative (and God knows what else is going on there with judging)."

One of the things I loved about PF is that it showcased movement that only V/M could pull off. I hope they do something that shows off the skills only they have. I'd also like to be be something a crowd can really get into. :)

martyross
04-10-2012, 05:28 PM
A few pics of V/M at an event this morning to try to drum up support for World's in London next year have made their way to twitter:

http://twitter.com/#!/lisaxing/status/189693463896403968/photo/1
http://yfrog.com/kk2m2abj


ETA2:
There's an article now. :)
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/04/10/19614121.html

what does mean 38 million in economic spin-off ?

VarBar
04-10-2012, 05:48 PM
i really like your description.
imo Pink Floyd represents what ice dance should have become in the last 10-15 years. something that speaks about our time, instead of always 19th century or first half of 20th. otherwise it gets a cliche.

Not to speak of P/B's mummy dance which is even pre-history. Who cares about what was going on thousands of years ago in the times of pharaohs, right?;)

Press conference and exhibition practice photos.

http://culthero.gallery.ru/watch?a=lMu-icHY

http://culthero.gallery.ru/watch?a=lMu-if1i

Bournekraatzfan
04-10-2012, 05:54 PM
Maybe Scott was hungover from a little too much celebrating :lol:. Just kidding!

Off the subject but I'm thrilled about being accepted for the (curling champs) Tournament of Hearts next fall. Lounges - Hosting/Serving in Volunteer, VIP & Sponsor Lounges . I just hope I don't have to miss any figure skating ;)

congratulations, clarie! that's great news!

Bournekraatzfan
04-10-2012, 05:55 PM
thank you aka_gerbil and VarBar for the photos:)

NorthernDancers
04-10-2012, 06:18 PM
what does mean 38 million in economic spin-off ?

Because London will be sold out, at least for the dance, pairs and mens events. Keep in mind that in dance, most of the top teams in the world train in either in Canton or Detroit. London is only about a 2 hour, maybe 3 hour, drive. It's the home of the World and Olympic champs, in a pre-Olympic year. For pairs, KW is only an hour a way, and Quebec is only about a 6 or 7 hour drive. There are easy flights between Montreal and London. Mens events are always popular in Canada, especially if Chan is in good position to skate for a "three-peat" as world champion.

With a packed house every day, hotels will be busy, restaurants will be busy, shopping centres will be busy, local retailers will be busy..... Sponsorship is likely to provide these businesses, in London and the surrounding area, with an excellent return on investment for their advertising dollars. The estimate is that the event will bring in $38 Million extra dollars to local retailers etc, which they would not have had without the event.

martyross
04-10-2012, 06:45 PM
Not to speak of P/B's mummy dance which is even pre-history. Who cares about what was going on thousands of years ago in the times of pharaohs, right?;)

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you may be sarcastic, but Pechalat-Bourzat's program had indeed an interesting concept dance-wise. During the season Camerlengo talked about this free, saying that the main focus was unity.
"To create the needed visual effect, they have to move in exactly the same way. This is something they were maybe less used to. They were more careful about the way they express feelings, and now they need to have the precision. And they need the technique of the compulsory elements, to make the key point look cleaner."
They also got hip-pop lessons because some moves take from this style. other than from these factors, the innovation of the program came (imo) from being a sort of visualition of the way the post-modern culture perceive the world of "Pharaons and mummies". The music they use has absolutely nothing to do with traditional Egyptian music. It's world music, a combination of pop and ethnic, which is extremely popular in North-Africa, for example. I find the dance quite expressive, but in a different way. Not expressive of human emotions like happiness or grief, but of the vibe of a dreamy world that only exist in contemporary cultural products, like movies, music videos, etc.
Now, i'm not saying the every couple must do something like this or Pink Floyd, just that such programs shouldn't be rare exceptions in 2000's dance.
This is probably a little mania of mine because i come from a country that generally speaking has an extremely old way of conceive art, architecture, music, etc. i believe that western world is very much changed from the romantic age and so art should reflect what we are now. i tend to find the same mentality in the way ice dance is judged and to me it's a little bit frustrating. :)

martyross
04-10-2012, 06:48 PM
Because London will be sold out, at least for the dance, pairs and mens events. Keep in mind that in dance, most of the top teams in the world train in either in Canton or Detroit. London is only about a 2 hour, maybe 3 hour, drive. It's the home of the World and Olympic champs, in a pre-Olympic year. For pairs, KW is only an hour a way, and Quebec is only about a 6 or 7 hour drive. There are easy flights between Montreal and London. Mens events are always popular in Canada, especially if Chan is in good position to skate for a "three-peat" as world champion.

With a packed house every day, hotels will be busy, restaurants will be busy, shopping centres will be busy, local retailers will be busy..... Sponsorship is likely to provide these businesses, in London and the surrounding area, with an excellent return on investment for their advertising dollars. The estimate is that the event will bring in $38 Million extra dollars to local retailers etc, which they would not have had without the event.
thanks for the explanation. always interesting to know the economic details behind these events!

pani
04-10-2012, 06:51 PM
Off the subject but I'm thrilled about being accepted for the (curling champs) Tournament of Hearts next fall. Lounges - Hosting/Serving in Volunteer, VIP & Sponsor Lounges . I just hope I don't have to miss any figure skating ;)

Congrats! And good luck!

pani
04-10-2012, 06:53 PM
Not to speak of P/B's mummy dance which is even pre-history. Who cares about what was going on thousands of years ago in the times of pharaohs, right?;)

Press conference and exhibition practice photos.

http://culthero.gallery.ru/watch?a=lMu-icHY

http://culthero.gallery.ru/watch?a=lMu-if1i

Thanks! Tessa is real star!
Look at this photo
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=376608295716910&set=a.376606402383766.88925.100001032272117&type=3&theater