PDA

View Full Version : Chan Conquers Toughest Six Inches



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 [14] 15 16

A judge
04-01-2012, 12:19 PM
I think Dai did well enough to receive better scores and Chan as usual was over-scored, but otherwise I do not have a huge problem with the 3 men on the podium, tho' the color for Dai, I think, should be gold.

Are you some kind of joke? If Dai had won, skating would be a laughing stock. Chan had two clean quads one in combo with a triple, Dai had a two footed quad plus Chan's speed, footwork and ability to use every note in the music are fantastic.

misskarne
04-01-2012, 04:05 PM
Are you some kind of joke? If Dai had won, skating would be a laughing stock. Chan had two clean quads one in combo with a triple, Dai had a two footed quad plus Chan's speed, footwork and ability to use every note in the music are fantastic.

And Chan fell on his backside twice.


Admittedly Dai also fell once in the SP and it wasn't the cleanest competition overall, but it hardly makes the sport a "laughing stock" if they give it to the guy who stayed on his feet more than the other guy. I believe the crowd was a pretty good indicator of what was considered a joke. They clearly believed it was worse for Chan to have fallen multiple times and won than Dai not to have landed two clean quads.

bmcg
04-01-2012, 04:27 PM
And Chan fell on his backside twice.


Admittedly Dai also fell once in the SP and it wasn't the cleanest competition overall, but it hardly makes the sport a "laughing stock" if they give it to the guy who stayed on his feet more than the other guy. I believe the crowd was a pretty good indicator of what was considered a joke. They clearly believed it was worse for Chan to have fallen multiple times and won than Dai not to have landed two clean quads.


When did he fall the second time? I remember his slip into the 2A in the FS but what was the second fall?

znhurston
04-01-2012, 04:29 PM
I don't think the problem is Chan; the problem is a scoring system that emphasizes technical over artistic mastery and that doesn't necessarily reward the cleanest programs. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

A judge
04-01-2012, 06:55 PM
I don't think the problem is Chan; the problem is a scoring system that emphasizes technical over artistic mastery and that doesn't necessarily reward the cleanest programs. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Cleanest programs are not always the best. Many of you people need to understand figure skating and take a clinic in your area.

So you feel that Patrick should not have won? I felt the few boos were from people who do not understand Patrick's tech and artistic mastery.

Really
04-01-2012, 07:12 PM
When did he fall the second time? I remember his slip into the 2A in the FS but what was the second fall?In her dreams...

Iceman
04-01-2012, 07:32 PM
So, aftershocks, would you say the judges served as a "fluffer" to Chan?:eek:

berthesghost
04-01-2012, 09:08 PM
In her dreams...whose? the tech specialist?
I didn't see the LP, but I did read the protocol sheet where he had -2 deductions. If he only fell once, what was the second -1 for?

pat c
04-01-2012, 09:09 PM
Time/music deduction.

berthesghost
04-01-2012, 09:10 PM
Time/music deduction.thank you.

MoonSet
04-01-2012, 09:59 PM
If Dai had won, skating would be a laughing stock. Chan had two clean quads one in combo with a triple, Dai had a two footed quad plus Chan's speed, footwork and ability to use every note in the music are fantastic.
As far as I can read from the judges scores Chan was credited with high GOEs for his quads which is completely justified. But it was not his technical score which was much better but his PCs and that is a joke. Generally, Chan is not a better artist than Dai. PChan has some nice footwork and abilities but at the worlds free skate he seemed insecure to me and his interpretation was hardly emotional, passionate or very interesting. After all its not his abilities which are judged but his performance. The crowd obviously shared the feeling that his performance was not the best of the day... not just because it was not clean. Had he done his last years performance, even with a fall, I think no one would have bood. One just gets the feeling that the PCs were already given before Chan skated.

The Accordion
04-02-2012, 12:42 AM
As far as I can read from the judges scores Chan was credited with high GOEs for his quads which is completely justified. But it was not his technical score which was much better but his PCs and that is a joke. Generally, Chan is not a better artist than Dai. PChan has some nice footwork and abilities but at the worlds free skate he seemed insecure to me and his interpretation was hardly emotional, passionate or very interesting. After all its not his abilities which are judged but his performance. The crowd obviously shared the feeling that his performance was not the best of the day... not just because it was not clean. Had he done his last years performance, even with a fall, I think no one would have bood. One just gets the feeling that the PCs were already given before Chan skated.

You do understand that interpreation and performance are just part of the PCS marks right? I am not trying to be condescending - just asking.

agalisgv
04-02-2012, 01:48 AM
I don't think MoonSet was just talking about P/E. S/he said Chan's free skate "seemed insecure". I took that to mean Chan's overall basic skating was a bit below what he is capable of, and he should have been scored on what he actually performed that night rather than what he is capable of doing. In addition, MoonSet seemed to argue the P/E wasn't as strong as Dai's, nor was the interpretation (which also would likely affect the CH score too). So basically all the program component scores are being questioned if I'm reading MoonSet correctly.

museksk8r
04-02-2012, 01:48 AM
As thick and intense as it was, I'm proud of Chan for pushing through it . . . the pressure that is! He really took it all in and claimed the victory in the end. ;):P

misskarne
04-02-2012, 01:58 AM
Time/music deduction.

Whoops. I'll back off from that. He only fell on his backside once, then.

When I saw the -2 deduction on the protocol I assumed he fell twice. Normally a safe assumption with him.