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Johnny_Fever
03-26-2012, 10:11 PM
Are any rooms available at the official hotel? It would be interesting to take the same shuttle that the skaters take, to and from the rink.

overedge
03-26-2012, 11:34 PM
OK, I'll bite. How long do YOU think it takes to do a promotion of a major skating event (Nats or Worlds)? This would include, but not limited to:
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Since the city I live in has hosted Worlds, 4Cs, and the Olympics while I've been here, I'm well aware of what is involved and how much work it takes, thanks. And it does take a long time (almost seven years start to finish for the Olympics) to plan everything and carry it out.

But we are not talking about promoting the event. We're talking about logistics of one very small (and optional) part of organizing the event. And right now I would guess that the organizers have many more things on their plate to deal with than whether or not to have a shuttle bus.

AJ Skatefan
03-26-2012, 11:38 PM
I've been to several skating events in Canada and never encountered shuttles for spectators. Do they even do that in Canada? Or is that just an American thing?

pat c
03-26-2012, 11:40 PM
Are any rooms available at the official hotel? It would be interesting to take the same shuttle that the skaters take, to and from the rink.

No, you can't ride the shuttle that the skaters take. You're on your own. :)

Erica Lee
03-27-2012, 12:20 AM
London and the John Labbatt Centre have played host to two sold-out Canadian Championships, as well as Synchro Worlds - all in recent history. Though Worlds may be a more prestigious event and may attract more in the way of media, those other events had just as many fans in the building as Worlds will have.

None of those events, nor any other Canadian event I have ever attended, have ever had a shuttle bus available for fans, nor would I ever find one necessary or expect such a service.

A city bus that runs once every half hour is frequent service by Canadian standards. Yes, it's going to make stops - but that's not abnormal. Just leave your hotel early enough to leave yourself plenty of time to get downtown. It's certainly a valid option and I don't see why it wouldn't suffice.

If that doesn't suit you, I'm sure the front desk of your hotel would be pleased to call a cab for you. I'm not sure why a specially arranged cab-stand would be necessary? What more would that accomplish than just calling a cab as normal?

If you really want to be able to go where you want, when you want, without any waiting - rent a car. Parking in downtown London isn't incredibly convenient, but I've always been able to find something within a reasonable walking distance.

4rkidz
03-27-2012, 01:19 AM
I've been to several skating events in Canada and never encountered shuttles for spectators. Do they even do that in Canada? Or is that just an American thing?

I believe just an American thing..:shuffle: At worlds currently there is also public transport.. as there was at Euro's .. as there is at Canadian events.. :blah:

pat c
03-27-2012, 01:42 AM
The only people I see getting into a tizzy are those who think planning this far ahead (or at all) is unnecessary and those who are just being rude. The thread is clearly labeled, hint, hint.

It is so. If it bothers some, perhaps just leave it to those who are interested in the subject. hint, hint.

CoyoteChris
03-28-2012, 01:03 AM
Just a note on the Spokane organizers -- not sure it's a terrific idea to continually post how you personally know they never want to work on a skating event again. It smacks of unprofessionalism on their part to bandy with fans about how hard a time they had organizing nationals and Skate America. It is almost assured that Spokane will host future events, and while I am certain Toby and Barb are very successful, the time might come when they wish to put aside whatever differences they had with USFS, the skating clubs, etc. and promote another competition.
Like I say, never say never....but twice I looked into their eyes and asked them....it would be rude to query them if they didnt wish to share their reasons. I will tell you one thing. If the state of WA had promised me $100,000 cash if I landed the Nats and then renigged and kept the million or so tax money they reaped, I would be sore too....I do hope that someone else might do the promoting if Toby and Barb do not wish to. I wish them the best and hope events do come back to Spokane. One interesting note.
There is a project here in the works to expend the number of seats in the arena and to expand the convention center to land more events.....
I would also add that even though a certain promotion/job/event might be very lucrative, it just might not be worth it if one is well off as it is. Life is too short.

CoyoteChris
03-28-2012, 01:08 AM
On that note, have you considered donating your time and experience to the city of London and/or the event organizing committee to lead/chair/be involved with the planning and execution of this supremely important logistical situation?

One might imagine those parties falling on bended knee, overwhelmed at such an generous offer.

I am......and they do seem grateful.

CoyoteChris
03-28-2012, 01:29 AM
I'm confused about this thread? .. there is a 'frequently running mass transit bus'..

http://www.ltconline.ca/

So unless you are on a private tour - why would the organizers even bother to get a shuttle.. would they just not expect visitors to catch the bus.. catch a cab.. walk or rent a car.. :confused: especially considering all the other 'project management' issues to be dealt with..

I did receive a nice package from ITconline....great city map...schedules...etc. The problem is that if I am understanding the bus schedule, the buses run infrequently. Every half hour. And it is unclear how full they are without an event going on. Plus, as I am sure you are aware of, we fans may go to the arena at diffferent times but we all come home at about the same time. So, If you have 10 plus hotels in a cluster 4 miles away from the arena and all the fans from those hotels try to go home at the usual time...say 10 to 11 pm, there are issues...only they know how many cabs will be available and buses and drivers and what their unions say about overtime, etc....Every event is different...Worlds 2009 LA was no problem cause the arena was only a mile away from almost every hotel and it was a pleasant walk in the warm spring air at 10 pm....it might not be such a nice walk for four miles in London in March....
Dedicated shuttles like we had at Greensboro have benefits for the restaruants. If there are not enough restaurants near a venue, one can hop on the shuttles and get to other restauants quickly....this worked at Spokane and Greensboro....its all about the money.....

CoyoteChris
03-28-2012, 01:51 AM
I believe just an American thing..:shuffle: At worlds currently there is also public transport.. as there was at Euro's .. as there is at Canadian events.. :blah:

From what I have seen, it depends on the size of an event and the city.
Take 4Conts Colorado Springs...all the hotels and restaruants were in easy walking distance. Same thing for Nats at Cleveland. Nats Greensboro was a different animal. Hence, the shuttle buses. Were there long lines at the shuttle busses when an event let out at Greensboro? Maybe, but they kept the buses and people flowing....everyone made money....the town wants the event back and are in the running for the next nats after Omaha.

In Spokane (my fair city) the organizers used the mass transit, but they had special routes that took fans quickly to restaruants, fan fest, hotels, and back to the arena...do that and you entice fans to go to real restaruants and spend bucks instead of deciding to eat the greasy hot dog at the arena between events....

4rkidz
03-28-2012, 02:16 AM
From what I have seen, it depends on the size of an event and the city.
Take 4Conts Colorado Springs...all the hotels and restaruants were in easy walking distance. Same thing for Nats at Cleveland. Nats Greensboro was a different animal. Hence, the shuttle buses. Were there long lines at the shuttle busses when an event let out at Greensboro? Maybe, but they kept the buses and people flowing....everyone made money....the town wants the event back and are in the running for the next nats after Omaha.

In Spokane (my fair city) the organizers used the mass transit, but they had special routes that took fans quickly to restaruants, fan fest, hotels, and back to the arena...do that and you entice fans to go to real restaruants and spend bucks instead of deciding to eat the greasy hot dog at the arena between events....

Actually like my original point - they are all American cities - the shuttle is an American thing.. I seriously wouldn't expect it outside of the USA - which Canada is :slinkaway Also the same arena has held large international events without any difficulties and don't worry about nice restaurants - the arena is right downtown - its just as easier to walk outside and eat as it is lining up for a greasy hotdog :D

overedge
03-28-2012, 02:52 AM
The problem is that if I am understanding the bus schedule, the buses run infrequently. Every half hour.

Every half-hour is not "infrequently".

agalisgv
03-28-2012, 03:53 AM
Every half-hour is not "infrequently". In major US cities, every half-hour would be considered infrequently. It's not uncommon for buses to run every 5-10 minutes during peak times.

But it does highlight that US skating fans can sometimes have unrealistic expectations regarding being catered to, and as a result some fans can be very high-maintenance at skating events.

TanithandBenFan
03-28-2012, 04:03 AM
Every half-hour is not "infrequently".

I think that's very infrequent for a busy city.