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kwanatic
03-16-2012, 07:27 PM
^^And that, skating fans, is what we call paying your dues. Pretty much every skater has to go through it...Mirai paid her dues that season but hasn't capitalized on her credibility with the judges since and, after a while, that credibility goes downhill. The judges get tired of you and don't bother with handing out decent scores. Just ask Rachael Flatt...

demetriosj
03-22-2012, 09:21 PM
Any updates on Alissa's status going in to Worlds?

DarrellH
03-22-2012, 09:35 PM
I think it was just used as a sort of public run-through.

Triple Butz
03-23-2012, 02:02 AM
Very true. After skating pretty well in her fall events (despite not impressing the judges then), skating very well at Nationals, and skating spectacularly at the Olympics, she finally had earned some cred with the judges by Worlds. That is pretty much my whole point. You dont instantly get it just by skating well once. It was the same with Wagner this year, she had to skate well all season and win Nationals until she began getting the scores.

But...but...but I thought PCS were supposed to be based on skating skills and program content??!! :confused:

:D

#sigh...maybe someday.

judgejudy27
03-23-2012, 01:47 PM
The whole scoring of PCS is still whacked of course. I even read a couple times judges are reprimanded if their order of rank from component to component of the various PC segments is out of line hardly any with the others. How stupid is that, dont they have 5 seperate component marks to score seperately how strong an individual is in each category. That must explain Cohen getting higher skating skills marks than the Japanese, Chan getting huge marks for things like performance and interpretation (even with falls to bot), Plushenko getting such high marks in the past for transitions and choreography.

Then you look at the dance event and V/M and D/W while they deserve the best PCS (especialy V/M IMO) they are so far ahead of the others in PCS they could fall three times and still come out ahead.

demetriosj
03-24-2012, 12:49 PM
Then you look at the dance event and V/M and D/W while they deserve the best PCS (especialy V/M IMO) they are so far ahead of the others in PCS they could fall three times and still come out ahead.

that is some messed up stuff...........

Susan M
03-25-2012, 03:10 AM
I even read a couple times judges are reprimanded if their order of rank from component to component of the various PC segments is out of line hardly any with the others. How stupid is that, dont they have 5 seperate component marks to score seperately how strong an individual is in each category.
I didn't see the original comment you reference, but I would have understood the notion of order of rank being out of line as referring to how other judges rated the skaters on that one component. In other words, if the rest of the panel thought Skater A had the best Skating Skills, then you had better also have him 1st or maybe second best on your SS marks. That isn't to say that Skater A would also have the highest Transition mark (or whatever).

I suspect this thinking is left over from the ordinal scoring systems, where judges whose ordinals were out of line with the panel were suspected of either incompetence or funny business.