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Maofan7
03-06-2012, 09:12 PM
Retrospective moves on to the 1984 World Championships:-

The key facts in relation to these championships are:-


Scott Hamilton and Torvill & Dean both finish their amateur competitive careers with gold medals. Having both just won Olympic golds at the 1984 Olympics, it is the 4th consecutive world title for each of them.

Katarina Witt wins her first world title, having just won the Olympics title at the 1984 Olympics.

Midori Ito makes her debut at worlds, finishing 7th. Had it not been for the compulsories in which she finished 16th, she would have finished 4th based on the SP and FS. Nevertheless, personally I think she was undermarked and would have deserved a medal had there been no compulsories.

Elaine Zayak wins the bronze and then turned professional after these championships. Nevertheless, 10 years later, she attempted to qualify for the 1994 Olympics. However, sadly, she only finished 4th at nationals and failed in her attempt to qualify. Nevertheless, Torvill & Dean, who also turned professional after these championships, were more successful in their 1994 Olympic comeback. They won the bronze at the 1994 Olympics and were extremely unlucky not to win the Gold in what was a very controversial outcome. Indeed, they had beaten both of the couples ahead them just a few weeks beforehand at the 1994 European Championships.

Underhill & Martini pull off an incredible turnaround to win Gold after a very disappointing 1984 Olympics in which they had finished only 7th. Moreover, Blumberg & Seibert gained revenge on Klimova & Ponomarenko, who had beaten them for the Bronze medal at the 1984 Olympics, by beating them to the Bronze medal at these championships.

Here are the videos for the medalists:-

MENS

Gold: Scott Hamilton (USA)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FdWwx0QX6Y)

Silver: Brian Orser (CAN)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt99COeC6lA)

Bronze: Alexander Fadeyev (USSR)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFhkw8QRJh4)

LADIES

Gold: Katarina Witt (GDR)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRYsUI14C2A)

Silver: Anna Kondrashova (USSR)

No video available. If any one knows of a link to a copy, please post it

Bronze: Elaine Zayak (USA)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xrb3k2y6Q0)

4th: Kira Ivanova (USSR)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXy6zniVSPk)

5th: Kay Thomson (CAN)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziurMPy_JSQ)

7th: Midori Ito (JPN)

Short Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mywCUQ2E9x0)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhiPBfaQyA)

8th: Elizabeth Manley (CAN)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jeKXZRbi0E)

PAIRS

Gold: Barbara Underhill & Paul Martini (CAN)

Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MKOyGh-Ws8)

Silver: Elena Valova & Oleg Vasiliev (USSR)

Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nurRZZs95rE)

Bronze: Sabine Baeß & Tassilo Thierbach (GDR)

No video available. If any one knows of a link to a copy, please post it.

ICE DANCE

Gold: Jayne Torvill & Christopher Dean (GBR)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB92UdcT9OY)

Original Set Pattern (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CmQyPQLrs)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vBWvkkZDh4)

Silver: Natalia Bestemianova & Andrei Bukin (USSR)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwuIGbYcpzY)

Bronze: Judy Blumberg & Michael Seibert (USA)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajV-7eiwqg)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn6wzoZdYKc)

4th: Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko (USSR)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etOfVCi7h5Q)

5th: Karen Barber & Nicky Slater (GBR)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR6A_uMU0mI)

olympic
03-06-2012, 11:57 PM
The highlights for me were -

Elaine Zayak pulling all the way up to the bronze medal. Great way to end her amateur career. Did she have the highest TM marks? I know Witt and Zayak both had a string of 5.7 - 5.8

U/M beating V/V for the gold in pairs was also quite emotional.

Yazmeen
03-07-2012, 02:13 AM
In 1994, Elaine Zayak did not "sadly fail" to make an Olympic team. She came back on her own for her own joy of skating, brought the crowd to their feet for both her short and long programs at Nationals, and was thrilled with how things turned out. She did it on her own terms and was quite happy with her results. If I may borrow this quote from a poster at Golden Skate: "She told the press that she did not want to take a spot on the Olympic team away from anyone - she just wanted to skate her best."

judgejudy27
03-07-2012, 04:02 AM
In 1994, Elaine Zayak did not "sadly fail" to make an Olympic team. She came back on her own for her own joy of skating, brought the crowd to their feet for both her short and long programs at Nationals, and was thrilled with how things turned out. She did it on her own terms and was quite happy with her results. If I may borrow this quote from a poster at Golden Skate: "She told the press that she did not want to take a spot on the Olympic team away from anyone - she just wanted to skate her best."

Very true. Realistically she never had a hope of making the 94 team anyway, it was all about a personal journey back for her, and it was beautiful one.

Torvill & Dean's European title was all from a flukish ordinal flip as the judges really had them placed 3rd (5-4 behind Usova & Zhulin originally) in the FD and 3rd overall, but Gritschuk & Platov's set of ordinals in the FD of 7 1sts and two 3rds from the right two judges changed the FD placing between U&Z and T&D which ultimately bumped T&D from 1st to 3rd overall and U&Z from 1st to 3rd overall. I agree T&D's bronze in Lillehammer was controversial, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the premise of the European results.

Olympic, I believe Witt marginallly won the technical scores in the LP of the 84 Worlds.

A.H.Black
03-07-2012, 04:22 AM
I'm always thought that one of the most amazing things that happened during the 1984 World Championships was John Tesh (the U.S. commentator that year) didn't say a word during Torvill and Dean's Free Dance. I'm sure it must have been the only time he ever remained silent. It was wonderful.

essence_of_soy
03-07-2012, 04:26 AM
I'm always thought that one of the most amazing things that happened during the 1984 World Championships was John Tesh (the U.S. commentator that year) didn't say a word during Torvill and Dean's Free Dance. I'm sure it must have been the only time he ever remained silent. It was wonderful.

Either that, or the tele-prompter experienced a technical glitch.

bardtoob
03-07-2012, 05:59 AM
I'm always thought that one of the most amazing things that happened during the 1984 World Championships was John Tesh (the U.S. commentator that year) didn't say a word during Torvill and Dean's Free Dance. I'm sure it must have been the only time he ever remained silent. It was wonderful.

I thought you were surely exaggerating, so I YouTubed it. He was silent from when T/D took the ice, through the performance, through the standing ovation, to when they were off the ice and the PA announcer began speaking. I think this makes them eligible for beautification.

:shuffle: I was also dumb struck and got chills. That was like watching a pairs routine in terms of surprising intricacies and difficulties.

Maofan7
03-07-2012, 03:52 PM
In 1994, Elaine Zayak did not "sadly fail" to make an Olympic team. She came back on her own for her own joy of skating, brought the crowd to their feet for both her short and long programs at Nationals, and was thrilled with how things turned out. She did it on her own terms and was quite happy with her results. If I may borrow this quote from a poster at Golden Skate: "She told the press that she did not want to take a spot on the Olympic team away from anyone - she just wanted to skate her best."

I wasn't aware of that.

Well done to Elaine, and I hope she got everything she wanted to out of the experience.

ponta1
03-07-2012, 04:01 PM
After all the posts on the Asian female skaters thread, I really enjoyed watching the young Midori Ito! I think she had the "it" factor even at that young age.

Skate Talker
03-07-2012, 04:34 PM
What I find astonishing (and sad) is that the tv coverage in Canada was so limited to Canadians and top finishers that I never even heard of a phenomenal skater like Midori until the 88 Olympics.

DORISPULASKI
03-07-2012, 04:47 PM
Either that, or the tele-prompter experienced a technical glitch.

Or Tesh was still struggling with pronouncing "John Mischa Petkevich" and "Ottawa" in his mind ;)

However, no one was talking during their OSP either! Wonderful!

I have never seen or heard as long and loud a sustained applause as for Torvill & Dean in 1984. Never :swoon:

Seriously, it was amazing to be at those championships.

Another interesting thing:

It was the last amateur appearance of Gary Beacom; his worlds program is not on youtube, but his Canadian Nationals version is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzCTd2QFo1k

And it was the first ever world medal for Alexander Fadeev (bronze), who edged out Josef Sabovcik, the Olympics bronze medallist.

Brian Boitano was 6th.

Selezna & Makarov, the parents of Ksenia Makarova, were 4th.

Jill Watson had a very bad fall from a platter lift and had to withdraw. It was her last performance with partner Burt Lancon.

LeeAnn Miller & Bill Fauver finished last - LeeAnn has done a lot of choreo for people since then.

And it should be mentioned that Wilson & Mccall who won the bronze at the 1988 Olympics finished 6th in dance.

Brian Orser's silver medal performance was brilliant.

olympic
03-07-2012, 05:20 PM
^For some reason, I remember BB was 8th? He was less stellar than he was at the Olympics.

I think Scott was marginally better than at Sarajevo. IIRC, Brian Orser still beat him in the LP, but Scott won the SP? I'm just going by memory.

Sabine Baess/Tassilo Thierbach also ended a long career with a medal - a bronze behind U/M and V/V.

Blumberg/Seibert were less than stellar but still got a bronze medal in Ice Dance. I'm sure it was to make up for the Sarajevo debacle.

I also remember being impressed with Watson/Lancon. Too bad he wanted to retire. I would've loved this pairing more than Watson/Oppegard. They had more vibrancy.

floskate
03-07-2012, 05:29 PM
^For some reason, I remember BB was 8th? He was less stellar than he was at the Olympics.

I think Scott was marginally better than at Sarajevo. IIRC, Brian Orser still beat him in the LP, but Scott won the SP? I'm just going by memory.

Sabine Baess/Tassilo Thierbach also ended a long career with a medal - a bronze behind U/M and V/V.

Blumberg/Seibert were less than stellar but still got a bronze medal in Ice Dance. I'm sure it was to make up for the Sarajevo debacle.

I also remember being impressed with Watson/Lancon. Too bad he wanted to retire. I would've loved this pairing more than Watson/Oppegard. They had more vibrancy.

Watson/Lancon had the mother of all meltdowns in the SP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoOEfbycnTo :(

He injured his back on the fall and couldn't lift her so after finishing last in the SP - the disruptions caused them to miss out the lift - they withdrew.

floskate
03-07-2012, 05:31 PM
What I find astonishing (and sad) is that the tv coverage in Canada was so limited to Canadians and top finishers that I never even heard of a phenomenal skater like Midori until the 88 Olympics.

I have the CTV footage of 84 Worlds and they showed Midori's LP. Their coverage was always way better and more extensive than the US or British coverage.

DORISPULASKI
03-07-2012, 07:46 PM
floskate, you lucky guy! It was a great worlds!! In all respects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_World_Figure_Skating_Championships

Wikipedia says Boitano was 6th overall, but 7th in the LP.