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lauravvv
03-01-2012, 02:49 AM
Oh, I forgot to write - Weir is indeed elegant - when he doesn't do his Gaga (or Gaga style) programs ;). On the other hand, Lambiel managed to be elegant in a way even when skating a program to Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCQWXVQU4Lg) (although his skating was far from his best here).

dinakt
03-01-2012, 04:10 AM
I agree about Takahashi and Abbott. Although I think that Takahashi is quite elegant in some programs, and Abbott too, while not very graceful, is often elegant in his own way. As for Lambiel - what does "generous" mean in relation to figure skating? He is not always that "generous", if I understand what you mean. He has found a new style (for him) which is quite ascetic and reserved/restrained (although it's just a program or two). And, for me, he is certainly very elegant, and also "profoundly musical" (no less than Abbott), besides being expressive. Despite his tendency to lean forward a bit too much while trying to gain speed, I know very few skaters (if any - well, except Curry, who is still different) with the kind of posture and stance that he has shown/shows in programs like 'Poeta' and 'Prelude in G. Minor' (Rachmaninov). Of course, there are many other things about his elegance as well, including the proverbial "hands". At the same time, that kind of posture and hands are needed mostly in classical programs, also in tangos and flamencos. Lambiel does that so well, but he also has programs in other styles - like programs to jazz music and more contemporary programs - which require another kind of elegance altogether (which he also has).


Oh, I agree completely. It really is impossible to characterize skaters of that quality with a word or two.
As for "generous"- I knew it's not quite precise, but could not find a better word. I was referring to Stephane's ability to connect with the audience, which is immediate and palpable, and always was. He is embracing the audience when he skates ( ditto Jason Brown, from a new generation). That, to me, was always one of Lambiel's main characteristics. Jeremy is improving his audience connection year after year, but that's not his innate trait- while deep musicality is such a part of him, it has always been there. To be "extraordinarily elegant" for me means to have it as one of the defining traits- and Curry is the prime example ( and Sikharulidze, as well- he even managed to make Charlie Chaplin elegant AND good, which is quite a feat:)).

shine
03-01-2012, 05:25 AM
Despite his tendency to lean forward a bit too much while trying to gain speed, I know very few skaters (if any - well, except Curry, who is still different) with the kind of posture and stance that he has shown/shows in programs like 'Poeta' and 'Prelude in G. Minor' (Rachmaninov). Of course, there are many other things about his elegance as well, including the proverbial "hands". At the same time, that kind of posture and hands are needed mostly in classical programs, also in tangos and flamencos.
I agree. Although his leg lines are not always picture-perfect like some of the skaters mentioned here, I always thought that he has some of the most beautiful upper body carriage and usage, which is really one of the best ever, if not *the* best.

Vash01
03-01-2012, 05:34 AM
It is interesting to read all of the different views of what it means to be "elegant" as a male FS.
Kudos to Vash01 for starting this thread and offering a view on what it is.

My own favorite description of "elegant", in general and for FS, is:

"Elegance is a synonym for beauty that has come to acquire the additional connotations of unusual effectiveness and simplicity.
It is frequently used as a standard of tastefulness particularly in the areas of visual design, decorative arts, the sciences, and the esthetics of mathematics.
Elegant things exhibit refined and dignified propriety."


Thank you for the David Lui links....truly amazing artistry, and I wonder who the beneficiaries of his choreography are/have been?

I was not that familiar with Robin Cousins, to be honest, but after taking a look I found his performance style to be "extraordinarily elegant"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHV9agpayQ&feature=related

:)

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Thanks for the compliment and for the link to Robin's 1979 worlds skate. I had never seen this. I had seen his programs as a pro and they were wonderful. I did not realize he was equally wonderful even at a much younger age.

Vash01
03-01-2012, 05:37 AM
Edge fetish? Alexander Abt. Never ever seen acceleration and power like that before. Ryan Jahnke. Grrrrrroooooowl and Rip. Maxim Saviski. Just unreal. And while partnering a woman who did her best to hold her own against someone so god-like on blades.

Speaking of Abt, he was on the original list and I was a big fan but I'd never call him elegant. Passionate, unrestrained, a tad wild but not elegant (except that camel spin. http://youtu.be/SQF3s-bG8r8?t=1m22s. Swoon.)




Sophisticated, gorgeous professional David (2005)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHRh-NN_5Q

I absolutely loved Abt's skating. Unfortunately he competed in the era dominated by Yagudin, Plushenko, and quads. Abt always two footed his quad toe, was inconsistent in landing his jumps and could not make the podium. The rest of his skating was superb. Dick Button once said about him- (paraphrasing)- You don't see edges like this anymore; you have to go back to the 1950's to see them.

Here is his LP at the 2002 Europeans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiYM7IuFbog&feature=related

Cyn
03-01-2012, 06:52 AM
Ilia Klimkin.

Nomad
03-01-2012, 06:59 AM
Ilia Klimkin.

Loved him. Too bad he never seemed able to skate two clean programs in any given comp.

DORISPULASKI
03-01-2012, 08:01 AM
I don't think of Klimkin as an elegant skater, but as a memorable, profoundly interesting skater who did novel, creative things.

Vash01
03-01-2012, 07:32 PM
Ilia Klimkin.


I liked his creativity but I never thought of him as an elegant skater. I guess elegance- like beauty- is in the eye of the beholder.

lauravvv
03-01-2012, 07:54 PM
Oh, I agree completely. It really is impossible to characterize skaters of that quality with a word or two.
As for "generous"- I knew it's not quite precise, but could not find a better word. I was referring to Stephane's ability to connect with the audience, which is immediate and palpable, and always was. He is embracing the audience when he skates ( ditto Jason Brown, from a new generation). That, to me, was always one of Lambiel's main characteristics. I understand now. I wonder why I didn't think of this meaning before, because now that I think about it, it's quite obvious :).


I agree. Although his leg lines are not always picture-perfect like some of the skaters mentioned here, I always thought that he has some of the most beautiful upper body carriage and usage, which is really one of the best ever, if not *the* best.Yes, "carriage" is the right word, I just didn't think about it before. As for leg lines - I think, one of the reasons is that his legs are simply quite short, so they can't look long and extraordinarily elegant :D.

jenny12
03-02-2012, 05:49 AM
Interesting list from Vash. I definitely think Petrenko was one of the most elegant skaters before he went pro and Vegas. Here's two of my favorites from him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Jw81aAFGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDFsgBppuII

shine
03-02-2012, 06:02 AM
Adding to the list - Denis Ten! LOVED his SP from Junior Worlds!

Vash01
03-02-2012, 05:10 PM
Interesting list from Vash. I definitely think Petrenko was one of the most elegant skaters before he went pro and Vegas. Here's two of my favorites from him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Jw81aAFGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDFsgBppuII

His LP at the 1988 Olympics, skated to Don Q. is one of my favorite performances. He was just 18 then, and you could see his natural talent and elegance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKj0E4U4zrY

kwanfan1818
03-02-2012, 05:22 PM
ITA -- in all the focus on the Battle of the Brian's, and the two great performances they skated, Petrenko's is often lost in the shuffle. I remember being gobsmacked by this skate at the time.

robinhood
03-03-2012, 11:34 AM
Alexander Zhulin:hat1:

A lot of them have been already mentioned. I found Johny Weir extraordinary elegant before his transformation in the Diva Bottox he is now
From today, probably Ten and Kozuka. And Katsalapov and Poje are wonderful as well as very handsome:D