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Triple Butz
02-28-2012, 11:53 PM
I think Kozuka deserves an honorable mention at least.

I think Daisuke's style is unreal, but I wouldn't necessarily call it elegant...at least not overall. "Dynamic" is the word that comes to mind.

rosebrallier
02-29-2012, 12:51 AM
Joshua Farris and Jason Brown are absolutely amazing! I predict (knock on wood) that in four years those two will be stunning us all and landing on top of Senior podiums. Those two, especially Joshua, make me even more excited than the young Russian ladies (and that's saying something).

sap5
02-29-2012, 01:00 AM
Hmmm, Scott Moir? V&M's Olympic FD would never have worked if he weren't able to skate elegantly.

luna_skater
02-29-2012, 01:26 AM
What kills any semblance of elegance in Urmanov or Eldredge for me is their god-awful cross-overs. Both skaters have nice qualities in certain areas. I love Urmanov's extension on jump landings in particular. But both of them have the same upper-body bobbing disease on cross-overs. It's disruptive to the flow of the program, and it drives me CRAZY!

dinakt
02-29-2012, 01:32 AM
I think Kozuka deserves an honorable mention at least.

I think Daisuke's style is unreal, but I wouldn't necessarily call it elegant...at least not overall. "Dynamic" is the word that comes to mind.

I agree. Looking for defining words ( for me), Takahashi would be "mesmerizing and dynamic", Abbott- "profoundly musical and soulful", Lambiel- "expressive and generous"... not that one thing cancels the other. Defining "extraordinarily elegant" for me would be Curry and Sikharulidze, and nowadays-perhaps Kozuka. And I think "elegance" is Scott Moir's defining strength.

BreakfastClub
02-29-2012, 01:45 AM
Patrick is always dull for anyone who doesn't have an edge fetish.

Patrick needs to skate with his edges under better control before I unleash my edge fetish on him. Why do you think he often falls and trips? I've always had the same issue with Carolina "I skate really fast and sloppy on deep edges and everyone thinks I have superb skating skills" Kostner. :slinkawaythough after 10 years I'm finally seeing that change about her...

Edge fetish? Alexander Abt. Never ever seen acceleration and power like that before. Ryan Jahnke. Grrrrrroooooowl and Rip. Maxim Saviski. Just unreal. And while partnering a woman who did her best to hold her own against someone so god-like on blades.

Speaking of Abt, he was on the original list and I was a big fan but I'd never call him elegant. Passionate, unrestrained, a tad wild but not elegant (except that camel spin. http://youtu.be/SQF3s-bG8r8?t=1m22s. Swoon.)

David Liu. So sad one of the most elegant skaters in the last couple of decades never had the big jumps:

Baby David (1992)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c3ceRk1P0Y

Grown-up David (1998)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGZAwr8MMhE

Sophisticated, gorgeous professional David (2005)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHRh-NN_5Q

shine
02-29-2012, 02:36 AM
David Liu. So sad one of the most elegant skaters in the last couple of decades never had the big jumps:

Baby David (1992)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c3ceRk1P0Y

Grown-up David (1998)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGZAwr8MMhE

Sophisticated, gorgeous professional David (2005)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHRh-NN_5Q

What a truly amazing and unique talent. And so incredibly little known!

os168
02-29-2012, 09:39 AM
Patrick needs to skate with his edges under better control before I unleash my edge fetish on him. Why do you think he often falls and trips? I've always had the same issue with Carolina "I skate really fast and sloppy on deep edges and everyone thinks I have superb skating skills" Kostner. :slinkawaythough after 10 years I'm finally seeing that change about her...

Edge fetish? Alexander Abt. Never ever seen acceleration and power like that before. Ryan Jahnke. Grrrrrroooooowl and Rip. Maxim Saviski. Just unreal. And while partnering a woman who did her best to hold her own against someone so god-like on blades.

Speaking of Abt, he was on the original list and I was a big fan but I'd never call him elegant. Passionate, unrestrained, a tad wild but not elegant (except that camel spin. http://youtu.be/SQF3s-bG8r8?t=1m22s. Swoon.)

David Liu. So sad one of the most elegant skaters in the last couple of decades never had the big jumps:

Baby David (1992)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c3ceRk1P0Y

Grown-up David (1998)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGZAwr8MMhE

Sophisticated, gorgeous professional David (2005)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHRh-NN_5Q

Thanks for this, it is so nice to see people still appreciate this special skater from Taiwan. David did a great job commentating the 4CC last year, hope to see him more to promote figure skating in Taiwan, although I understand he is based in New York now and works primarily as a choreographer.

geod2
02-29-2012, 10:47 AM
i've always found that ppl in general seem to have a more narrow idea of elegance when it comes to male skating than i personally do

It is interesting to read all of the different views of what it means to be "elegant" as a male FS.
Kudos to Vash01 for starting this thread and offering a view on what it is.

My own favorite description of "elegant", in general and for FS, is:

"Elegance is a synonym for beauty that has come to acquire the additional connotations of unusual effectiveness and simplicity.
It is frequently used as a standard of tastefulness particularly in the areas of visual design, decorative arts, the sciences, and the esthetics of mathematics.
Elegant things exhibit refined and dignified propriety."


Thank you for the David Lui links....truly amazing artistry, and I wonder who the beneficiaries of his choreography are/have been?

I was not that familiar with Robin Cousins, to be honest, but after taking a look I found his performance style to be "extraordinarily elegant"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHV9agpayQ&feature=related

:)

.

lauravvv
02-29-2012, 11:31 AM
I agree. Looking for defining words ( for me), Takahashi would be "mesmerizing and dynamic", Abbott- "profoundly musical and soulful", Lambiel- "expressive and generous"... not that one thing cancels the other. Defining "extraordinarily elegant" for me would be Curry and Sikharulidze, and nowadays-perhaps Kozuka. And I think "elegance" is Scott Moir's defining strength.I agree about Takahashi and Abbott. Although I think that Takahashi is quite elegant in some programs, and Abbott too, while not very graceful, is often elegant in his own way. As for Lambiel - what does "generous" mean in relation to figure skating? He is not always that "generous", if I understand what you mean. He has found a new style (for him) which is quite ascetic and reserved/restrained (although it's just a program or two). And, for me, he is certainly very elegant, and also "profoundly musical" (no less than Abbott), besides being expressive. Despite his tendency to lean forward a bit too much while trying to gain speed, I know very few skaters (if any - well, except Curry, who is still different) with the kind of posture and stance that he has shown/shows in programs like 'Poeta' and 'Prelude in G. Minor' (Rachmaninov). Of course, there are many other things about his elegance as well, including the proverbial "hands". At the same time, that kind of posture and hands are needed mostly in classical programs, also in tangos and flamencos. Lambiel does that so well, but he also has programs in other styles - like programs to jazz music and more contemporary programs - which require another kind of elegance altogether (which he also has).

Anyway, I want to thank everyone who has provided links :). It's really interesting to watch those videos, as I hadn't seen most of them before. That's one of the reasons why I am writing only about Lambiel. I just know more about him than about any other skater. I have seen too little of the most skaters mentioned here to be able to tell whether they are truly elegant, or it's just separate programs. gkelly was right to tell that it often varies from program to program. As for such skaters as Curry and Cousins, I definitely agree that they are extraordinarily elegant, but I think that I can't add anything new to everything that has already been said about them - both here, and in other threads.

love_skate2011
02-29-2012, 11:43 AM
Joshua Farris and Jason Brown are absolutely amazing! I predict (knock on wood) that in four years those two will be stunning us all and landing on top of Senior podiums. Those two, especially Joshua, make me even more excited than the young Russian ladies (and that's saying something).

agreed, and thrown in Han Yan and don't forget Nathan Chen who is already showing elegance in skating.

but comparing though Brown is far superior to Farris, Farris may have faster spins, feminine like elegance and balletic style but Brown is the over all package and his performance is almost always memorable.

edonice
02-29-2012, 03:41 PM
I'm all about Takahiko Kozuka: incredibly soft knees and great edgework. His style is more understated, so I think he can go unnoticed.

http://youtu.be/azKlGGypwT8?t=4m8s

Also, I came across these audition tapes of Rohene Ward. Such a beautiful skater:

http://youtu.be/KA27GFWr-3k
http://youtu.be/CC1-havgrIk

DORISPULASKI
02-29-2012, 05:25 PM
If only Rohene had had a head for competition....:wuzrobbed: ...he is an amazing skater.

He was touring with one of the Holiday on Ice Shows in Europe, last I heard.

Vagabond
02-29-2012, 05:56 PM
Thank you for the David [Liu] links....truly amazing artistry, and I wonder who the beneficiaries of his choreography are/have been?

According to his website, he's worked with Brian Boitano, Lu Chen, Midori Ito, Roslyn Sumners, and Katarina Witt -- presumably during their professional careers -- as well as the Ice Theatre of New York and several dance companies in the U.S. and Asia.

http://www.davidliu.org/DLmain1.html

BreakfastClub
03-01-2012, 12:32 AM
Yes, of course. Rohene!

:swoon:

I'll always be grateful to whoever made this video. The essence of Rohene - big split lutz, single flip with legs reverse crossed, the double axel seq with one in each direction, trademark spirals, layback, catchfoot CW spin...

2002 Vienna Cup Ex (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAdIn-NFKhc)

I seem to recall he didn't medal here, but like so many who've seen him practice and then bomb in competition, he's so impressive when he's not competing the organizers extended a special invite to him for the exhibition.

Hard to believe that with all the non-jumping talent he always had on display, he's also perhaps the most talented jumper I've ever seen. The only skater I've ever seen who could nail triple axels out of three different entries with no warmup and then go off and land a CW triple lutz like it was nothing ...in practice. :slinkaway