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berthesghost
02-28-2012, 12:14 AM
This critique isn't really aimed at Chan, but at whoever choreographs his programs. but that's the problem IMHO. I always laugh when people say things like "Lori gave the good programs to caro and the duds to rachael" :lol:
I don't think a choreographer can gift a skater a personality, although nichol certainly came closest to just that when she actually made goebel watchable in 2002! :lol:
Lori has created countless gems over two decades. Patrick is always dull for anyone who doesn't have an edge fetish.

iarispiralllyof
02-28-2012, 12:15 AM
i've always found that ppl in general seem to have a more narrow idea of elegance when it comes to male skating than i personally do

Triple Butz
02-28-2012, 12:40 AM
Alexei Urmanov.

I wouldn't call Todd Eldredge "elegant". :shuffle:

I wouldn't call Urmanov "elegant" either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ieGvGdfyeo#t=0m20s
:scream:

snoopysnake
02-28-2012, 01:14 AM
Ryan Jahnke

Yes! Yes! Yes!

misskarne
02-28-2012, 02:19 AM
Joshua Farris is incredible! I saw his JGPF programs the other day and he has such a gorgeous fluid range of movement.

I was watching Artur Gachinsky's Euros programs last night and thinking that he has a really nice lyrical style.

AxelAnnie
02-28-2012, 02:26 AM
but that's the problem IMHO. I always laugh when people say things like "Lori gave the good programs to caro and the duds to rachael" :lol:
I don't think a choreographer can gift a skater a personality, although nichol certainly came closest to just that when she actually made goebel watchable in 2002! :lol:
Lori has created countless gems over two decades. Patrick is always dull for anyone who doesn't have an edge fetish.

Good post.

I wouldn't give Chan a pass on the musicality, and blame the choreography. And, this is not critique on my part about the skating. Just that I think some skaters have an innate sense of the music, and there would simply NOT be a point where the chroreo is not in sync with the music. Let's assume for a moment that the choreographer did a ridiculous setting that did not go with the music, as a skater who is musical, I would think there would be such dissonance it would be like nails on a chalkboard. And the skater would get it fixed. I simply wouldn't feel right.

Jenna
02-28-2012, 02:34 AM
Two lesser known US male skaters that are quite elegant IMO are Scott Dyer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOtXniIwok) and Wesley Campbell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUCHSLaQg0).

rosebrallier
02-28-2012, 05:07 AM
Good post.

I wouldn't give Chan a pass on the musicality, and blame the choreography. And, this is not critique on my part about the skating. Just that I think some skaters have an innate sense of the music, and there would simply NOT be a point where the chroreo is not in sync with the music. Let's assume for a moment that the choreographer did a ridiculous setting that did not go with the music, as a skater who is musical, I would think there would be such dissonance it would be like nails on a chalkboard. And the skater would get it fixed. I simply wouldn't feel right.

ITA. I generally try to give skaters the benefit of the doubt though. Chan hasn't outlasted my doubt yet. Can say the same for several others though coughcoughEvanLysacekcoughcough.

orientalplane
02-28-2012, 12:01 PM
I wouldn't call Urmanov "elegant" either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ieGvGdfyeo#t=0m20s
:scream:

Yes, the 'chicken legs' was really bad choreography. :lol: But most of the time he was very elegant.

love_skate2011
02-28-2012, 12:23 PM
Stephane Lambiel, John Curry

from new crops : Hanyu and also Farris, although I dislike but Farris is sort of elegant. his skating style is very balletic and feminine very elegant looking.

DORISPULASKI
02-28-2012, 03:34 PM
Yes, the 'chicken legs' was really bad choreography. :lol: But most of the time he was very elegant.

He isn't the only Russian man to do the chicken legs (what I think of as "doing the hokey pokey" choreography):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpfkvNHac6g#t=2m40s

Is there something Russian traditional about this choice :lol:

briancoogaert
02-28-2012, 10:01 PM
Well, Todd Eldredge is not extraordinaly elegant.

John Curry, Robin Cousins, Sebastien Britten and many more :swoon:

gkelly
02-28-2012, 10:47 PM
The first skater who came to my mind when I read the thread title was Mark Mitchell. I don't think he's been mentioned yet.


With some of these skaters, if we look back at whole careers, we can often find elegant performances and not-so-elegant ones, often with more elegance later in the skater's career. It's not always a question of either/or.

DustPuppyOI
02-28-2012, 11:04 PM
Vadim Naumov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxVrFEGDasw
Genrikh Sretenski http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6i7nL1p_0A

martyross
02-28-2012, 11:42 PM
He isn't the only Russian man to do the chicken legs (what I think of as "doing the hokey pokey" choreography):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpfkvNHac6g#t=2m40s

Is there something Russian traditional about this choice :lol:
wee, why did i open this link :scream: