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love_skate2011
02-24-2012, 10:20 PM
Why aren't any of the "early greats" (Ulrich Salcow, etc.) even listed?

me too.
first skater that came in mind would be Ulrich Salchow
even before Pluschenko

immoimeme
02-24-2012, 10:38 PM
Who is/was THE greatest European singles male skater?

I had to say John Curry. He paved the way for a revolution in mens skating style.

If you ask me who is the CURRENT greatest European singles male skater, I would say Plushenko, with Joubert not far behind. If I had more time I might argue for Petrenko, too...

DarrellH
02-24-2012, 10:49 PM
John Curry

floskate
02-25-2012, 04:48 AM
I thought of them, particularly Salchow, but the sport was so different back then (figures only) that it is really difficult to compare them with skaters that skated to music. Also, I know only a couple of the really old skaters, so I could have omitted some others that deserved to be on the poll.

Thanks for pointing this out.

:confused: They had free skating back then as well. How else did Ulrich invent the salchow jump?? Here's the only known clip of his skating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-vqyLXiYLk

bardtoob
02-25-2012, 05:46 AM
Nikolay Panin should be an option.

Vash01
02-25-2012, 06:04 AM
How about starting a poll of skaters before 1940? I am not knowledgeable about them; I only know a couple of them. I know there are many knowledgeable folks here.

aftershocks
02-25-2012, 06:29 AM
Robin Cousins definitely deserves more votes. Aside from Curry, Robin Cousins is a better skater than all of the rest of the guys on this list put together!!!

Though I voted for Cousins, in general, I'd rate it: Curry, Cousins, Yagudin, Kulik, Lambiel. The other guys on the list are far behind, except for Plushy, WHO OBVIOUSLY IS IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF -- his chutzpah, jumping ability, and utter determination can not be compared. OTOH, Plushy's tendency to rest on his athletic skills to the detriment of developing his artistic abilities is perhaps is one of the reasons why he wants to come back for Sochi 2014.

reflect
02-25-2012, 08:13 AM
I just copy my post from the "Greatest Lady Skater" :p

The definition of "greatest" may be different of "my favourate". "favourate" can be very subjective. we can even count the uber's number for each skater in this forum to know the final result:)

For "Great" or "Greatest", JMHO, I think there need to be some consistent and objective standard for each skaters such as titles, record, skills measurement, influence on the sports (this one may be subjective)....

Based on influence, i will vote for John Curry, on medals, i will vote for plushenko, on artistry, I have my favorate although artistry is subjective too......then, what's the definition for "greatest" here?

Belinda
02-25-2012, 11:36 AM
Aside from Curry, Robin Cousins is a better skater than all of the rest of the guys on this list put together!!!

WELL SAID!!!

matti
02-25-2012, 03:04 PM
Europe: John Curry
North America: Dick Button
Asia: Daisuke Takahashi
:)

berthesghost
02-25-2012, 03:16 PM
I just copy my post from the "Greatest Lady Skater" :p

The definition of "greatest" may be different of "my favourate". "favourate" can be very subjective. we can even count the uber's number for each skater in this forum to know the final result:)

For "Great" or "Greatest", JMHO, I think there need to be some consistent and objective standard for each skaters such as titles, record, skills measurement, influence on the sports (this one may be subjective)....

Based on influence, i will vote for John Curry, on medals, i will vote for plushenko, on artistry, I have my favorate although artistry is subjective too......then, what's the definition for "greatest" here?these polls always mean whatever you want then to. :lol:

If we go by your very astute observation of standards: titles+record+skills+influence=greatest, then gilles graftstrum would be ducking it out with ulrick salchow, but they're not even listed as options (other than "other").

Given that yags is winning while plushy and lambiel duke it out for bronze, I'd say most people vote by "I wasn't even born yet in 98, so I'll just vote for my favorite" :lol:

museksk8r
02-25-2012, 03:20 PM
Curry, Cousins, Yagudin, Lambiel, Urmanov, Kulik :respec::swoon::cheer2::encore:

PashaFan
02-25-2012, 04:05 PM
Curry, Cousins, Yagudin, Lambiel, Urmanov, Kulik :respec::swoon::cheer2::encore:

Lambiel was a DREAM when he got it right.
I still can't get over the fact he never won the Europeans.

reflect
02-25-2012, 06:43 PM
these polls always mean whatever you want then to. :lol:

If we go by your very astute observation of standards: titles+record+skills+influence=greatest, then gilles graftstrum would be ducking it out with ulrick salchow, but they're not even listed as options (other than "other").



I always confused about these polls because the standards seems different for different nominee everytime. as someone has worked in statistics, I prefer a consistent standard (even a partail standard is better for me than inconsistent ones :D)

But if it is the same poll as "who is your favorite skater", everything make sense and I can understand all of them:lol:

agree about ulirich salchow considering his titles+influence. but the poll creator has said what he did is a very different sports and he is not in the list so I didn't mention him.:lol:

aliceanne
02-25-2012, 08:46 PM
I voted for Cousins because I would have missed him the most if he hadn't existed, but there are a lot of Greats on that list.