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DORISPULASKI
02-24-2012, 09:08 PM
I agree about Angela Nikidinov being a skater that learned to be memorable. Definitely :kickass:

OTOH, I disagree about Ross and Rachael-both are interesting skaters who sometimes crossover into the memorable and sometimes are amazinly forgettable. In their most memorable moments, both are better live than on TV. I say this having been surprised by both of them in live competition last year at Nationals: Rachael's short was a standout, but her LP was a snooze. Ross was the reverse-his short was just OK, but his LP was great, with an extremely enthusiastic standing ovation by the crowd. This year they reversed-it was Rachael's long that led to a standing ovation at Nationals, and Ross's short at 4CC's.

Dornbush I found to be a snooze in both his programs last year at Nationals. But it's clear that some others did not find it that way.

I don't find Farris interesting on streaming video, but I've never seen him live when he was healthy, so I'm reserving judgment.

winterone
02-24-2012, 09:11 PM
Let's see how he does at JW first. Maybe he'll be the highest ranked American man there, you never know. Like I said Aaron beat Brown at JW last year, ice is slippery. Has Dolensky ever tried 3a in competition?

Max beat Jason at JW because he is far more athletic and he landed his jumps. By the way Max beat Jason at nationals this year as well. Jason Brown does not have a 3x yet. But Jason does have the support of USFSA. After making three mistakes in the last half of his long program at nationals he still got a 75 in Program Component scores.

Honestly why are we sending Dolensky?

Sylvia
02-24-2012, 09:14 PM
Has Dolensky ever tried 3a in competition?
I can't recall if he tried a 3A in the 2011 Broadmoor Open Jumps competition back in June, but he has not attempted 3A in his competition programs this season, AFAIK, though he has worked on the jump.


Honestly why are we sending Dolensky?
Because he earned it at Nationals and won a JGP bronze this season.

DORISPULASKI
02-24-2012, 09:16 PM
And because Nathan Chen is still too young to go to Jr. Worlds, AFAIR? And because the boys at Senior Nationals were too old, with the exception of Jason & Joshua. Timothy had the highest finish of a junior eligible boy at Nationals.

Sylvia
02-24-2012, 09:18 PM
Yes, Nathan Chen will turn 13 in May and be ISU Junior age-eligible next season.

dinakt
02-24-2012, 09:54 PM
I don't find Farris forgettable at all- nor feminine :D His SP this year, when skated well ( like his GP events and GPF, not the Nationals) is one of my very favorite programs of the year.
He has yet to have a LP that I loved, but that's less to do with him than with his packaging and choreographers. I think he has great potential to express, he's just not fully tapped into it yet ( I like his new Rachmaninov LP, but it's just too new to feel completely realized).
For example, here- 2009 JGP SP http://youtu.be/4bN3FxKlcnY - while he is skating to typical "Sing Sing Sing" ( oh, Tom Z., must everybody?)- he shows excellent feeling of rhythmic synchopation- and what was he then- 14 going on 15, I think. Between this and "Clair de Lune"- that's two distinctly different styles where he is paying a lot of attention to music. I hope it develops in the years to come! Add great spins, variety of jumps, good SS- and I like the package.
Not everybody ( hardly anybody) could be Jason Brown, when already at 15 he had performance magic. Most people come into it much later, even the ones who have it in them.

Back on topic- I'll keep my fingers crossed that Junior Worlds scores are really HIGH.

pinky166
02-25-2012, 12:03 AM
Max beat Jason at JW because he is far more athletic and he landed his jumps. By the way Max beat Jason at nationals this year as well. Jason Brown does not have a 3x yet. But Jason does have the support of USFSA. After making three mistakes in the last half of his long program at nationals he still got a 75 in Program Component scores.

Honestly why are we sending Dolensky?

Dolensky is going because of all the senior men at Nationals, only Jason and Josh are young enough to go and are already being sent. Chen is too young to go, so Dolensky is next in line. In my opinion though, Warren should have beaten him at nationals, I think he is the stronger skater. He and Dolensky got nearly identical FS scores at nationals but to me Warren's skate was great while Dolensky's was tentative. But Warren did have a mistake in the SP, so I guess the results are alright. Plus Warren did not fair as well as Dolensky on the JGP this season.

Also regarding Jason, I think I had mentioned this earlier, but all season on the JGP, he and Josh have been receiving very similar PCS. Then at nationals, well I'll disregard the SP because Josh's was messy and Jason went clean, but in the FS where they each made a similar number of errors, Jason's PCS were 75 and Josh's 65. At the JGPF they both got 69, and that was with a clean skate from Jason and a flawed one from Josh. USFS loves Jason, clearly, but I think the international judges are holding out handing him huge components until he starts trying the 3a in competition. Meanwhile, it's pretty obvious Farris is received well internationally considering his monster SP scores put up at his JGPs this season.

Regarding Aaron, his programs at Nationals were very strong technically, and yet his scores in both the SP and FS were quite near those of Jason's, who had no 3a in the SP (while Max had a 4s!) and no 3a and 3 falls in the FS (while Max was cleaner and attempted a quad and two 3as). So it's just different internationally. If Jason beats Josh at JW, I am fairly certain it will be because Josh will have made a bunch of silly mistakes. If Josh skates well, I am fairly certain he will place ahead of Jason.