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UGG
02-15-2012, 12:03 AM
Exactly. I've also heard how if she or her web site/Twitter people see a posting that has the very slightest whiff of someone saying "Goodbye" before doing something horribly tragic, she/they try to do all they can to figure out from the IP addy where this person is and then checked on to ensure they're okay. Lady Gaga truly does walk her talk and I also don't think the Gaga ride's over yet.

When she first burst on the scene, I didn't care that much for her, but after getting a chance to listen to her music at a cousin's, I was turned to the Monster side. ;) ITA w/whomever said that unlike some of the others outside of Adele and Jennifer Hudson, Lady Gaga actually *can* sing and really doesn't need all the smoke and mirrors.

But it certainly helps her put on a show. :D

My sister called over today and we got talking about the Grammys. She asked me if I'd seen Lady Gaga and her outlandish getup. It wasn't until Judy said she couldn't believe she overdid it so much on the tanning spray to look black and if she'd been a Black person in the crowd last night, she would have been offended. That had me going "Huh!?!", then asking what Gaga was wearing when Judy saw her.

"Oh...Surely you saw her on the Red Carpet swaddled up in that red cloak thing and escorted by a guy dressed as the Pope. And what was up w/that!?!"

Even after close to ten minutes of me telling her that wasn't Gaga, I still don't think Judy believes me. :lol:

I totally thought Nikki Manaj was Gaga with a really dark tan from far away LOL. I feel like Katy Perry and Nikki totally bite off of her fashion wise but always fail.

BigB08822
02-15-2012, 12:13 AM
I've always said that Minaj is trying to be Gaga for the black crowd. Maybe she isn't at all but it sure seems like it, coming on the scene directly after Gaga did and always wearing stupid outfits and trying to do over the top performances.

rjblue
02-15-2012, 01:50 AM
I think the Civil Wars were very deserving but just not in the Country category. There isn't a Blues/Folk category? That is my only question about their win.I think the Grammy people didn't know quite what to do with them. It's a bit humorous: (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20120214/GPG0502/120214041/Gone-60-seconds-Grammys-bump-up-Civil-Wars-profile)
Even Grammy voters didn't know what to do with The Civil Wars.
At Sunday's annual awards shindig, the duo won best folk album and best country duo/group performance -- two categories that bear little resemblance to each other. Fellow nominees ran the spectrum from Kenny Chesney to Eddie Vedder to Gillian Welch and Fleet Foxes.

And John Paul White and Joy Williams loved it.

“We kind of had a little bit of a grin between the two of us and our team as well about that, too,” Williams said. “I think it’s fun the fact that we can’t be pigeon-holed into one or the other. That’s just fine with us.”

“We’re going for best dance recording next year. We’re going to do a dubstep record,” White joked.
Kelly and Jason's song was a great country pop crossover hit that in most years would have been a shoe-in for the duo award (as long as Brooks and Dunn weren't nominated). I've never heard Barton Hollow on a country station, just on alt-rock stations. They fit in better with Bon Iver and than they do with Kenny Chesney

BigB08822
02-15-2012, 01:58 AM
In previous years Kelly and Jason would have been nominated for Country Collaboration with vocal. They would never have competed in the Duo category which was for established duos like Brooks and Dunn or Sugarland. They got rid of the all the collaboration categories this year. Bad timing and bad luck for them.

topaz
02-15-2012, 02:01 AM
Then people wanting their 'pound of flesh' or 'redemption' need to get over it. Like she apparently has.

I agree.

Wyliefan
02-15-2012, 02:01 AM
Anonymous (or someone of their ilk) should have hacked the grammys and projected these details on the backdrop of the stage while Chris Brown was performing.

^This.

I'm all in favor of redemption. But it takes genuine remorse, for a start. I'm not so sure he has that.

julieann
02-15-2012, 03:52 AM
^This.

I'm all in favor of redemption. But it takes genuine remorse, for a start. I'm not so sure he has that.

That's for her to decide, she's the victim. If I feel like not being his fan I won't buy his songs or see him in concert. Or let the television execs know I won't watch if he's on their show. However, he was on an award show where he won an award, so I think most people are over it. If not, they don't have to watch/listen to him.

John 3 17
02-15-2012, 02:17 PM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1606481/chris-brown-police-report-provides-details-altercation.jhtml
WHOLE POST


Thank you for posting that.

SCREW the Grammys for welcoming this POS to their stage.

-Bridget

John 3 17
02-15-2012, 02:22 PM
That's for her to decide, she's the victim. If I feel like not being his fan I won't buy his songs or see him in concert. Or let the television execs know I won't watch if he's on their show. However, he was on an award show where he won an award, so I think most people are over it. If not, they don't have to watch/listen to him.

The fact that he won an award doesn't show that "most people are over it"; it shows the Grammys are but they do not speak for "most people" last I checked.

cruisin
02-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Both my husband and I were disgusted that he was on the show. But, as has been said, we make our feelings known by not watching and not buying. What disturbs me most (as I mentioned up thread) are the Tweets after the show. The fact that so many young women could (joking or not) think it's okay to say that he's so hot, he could beat them any time, is just mind numbing.

Andora
02-15-2012, 02:25 PM
That's for her to decide, she's the victim.


Rihanna is free to do what she wants. The poor girl had a world of expectations on her to be this role model for domestic violence victims while she herself was recovering both emotionally and physically. She's sounded as if she'd rather not dwell on it, and move on. I fully respect that, even if the rumours that she and Chris are on the road to reconciliation are true. It's not up to me to police how a victim feels and reacts.

But I still think what he did was messed up, and no one gets to decide that for me, either.



However, he was on an award show where he won an award, so I think most people are over it. If not, they don't have to watch/listen to him.

It bites my ass that "most people are over it." I think if Chris' album hadn't made much money, he wouldn't be anywhere near a grammy stage. But because he's successful-- and let's not forget most of his fans are young women, which his wildly problematic-- it's easier to move on. I don't like it.

Neither does Miranda Lambert. (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/02/15/miranda-lambert-tweets-that-chris-brown-should-be-put-back-in-his-place/?mod=google_news_blog) I'm not crazy about her language (put in his place? Er...), but Chris' response shows what a classy guy he isn't, and is pretty indicative of his character, I think.

Jenny
02-15-2012, 02:56 PM
That's for her to decide, she's the victim.

To a point. When a person is as violent as that police report describes, he's a danger to other women and society in general.

And further, is an abused woman really the one to decide if he should be forgiven? There are a lot of emotions involved, and the description of her actions suggests that this is not the first time she has been a victim of violence. Maybe she is truly willing to forgive and forget, or maybe she continues to suffer the effects of abuse, which could include acceptance of something she thinks she can't change, or is somehow her fault.

Everyone should be given second chances, and we do have to allow that the justice system acted appropriately. However, it's quite a different thing when the person goes on to be celebrated as though he never did this terrible thing. Sure, he's free to pursue his art and individuals are free to choose whether they wish to buy it or not. But to be showcased on a major stage and then warmly applauded by his peers - an endorsement from highly influential people if there ever was one - is quite different than someone simply being given a second chance.

cruisin
02-15-2012, 03:22 PM
Everyone should be given second chances, and we do have to allow that the justice system acted appropriately. However, it's quite a different thing when the person goes on to be celebrated as though he never did this terrible thing. Sure, he's free to pursue his art and individuals are free to choose whether they wish to buy it or not. But to be showcased on a major stage and then warmly applauded by his peers - an endorsement from highly influential people if there ever was one - is quite different than someone simply being given a second chance.

Agree. And let's face it, his punishment was pretty light. Probation and community service. I wonder if some average guy would had gotten the same thing.

My husband and I have had a similar conversation re: Michael Vick. Yes, people do deserve a second chance. I just think we tend to resent it more when they are people who are capable of so much success and celebrity. But, that is what they do, so can we say that they are not allowed to move forward with their careers? As much as I wish I could say that they should not, they can.

Wyliefan
02-15-2012, 04:58 PM
Rihanna is free to do what she wants. The poor girl had a world of expectations on her to be this role model for domestic violence victims while she herself was recovering both emotionally and physically. She's sounded as if she'd rather not dwell on it, and move on. I fully respect that, even if the rumours that she and Chris are on the road to reconciliation are true. It's not up to me to police how a victim feels and reacts.

But I still think what he did was messed up, and no one gets to decide that for me, either.

Exactly.


It bites my ass that "most people are over it." I think if Chris' album hadn't made much money, he wouldn't be anywhere near a grammy stage. But because he's successful-- and let's not forget most of his fans are young women, which his wildly problematic-- it's easier to move on. I don't like it.

Neither does Miranda Lambert. (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/02/15/miranda-lambert-tweets-that-chris-brown-should-be-put-back-in-his-place/?mod=google_news_blog) I'm not crazy about her language (put in his place? Er...), but Chris' response shows what a classy guy he isn't, and is pretty indicative of his character, I think.

From the rest of what Miranda wrote, it seemed pretty clear to me that by "his place" she meant "anywhere but at the Grammys."

oleada
02-15-2012, 05:02 PM
I read somewhere that Miranda's parents often took in women who had been abused and their children, so I can imagine she's pretty disgusted by all this.