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Artemis@BC
04-18-2012, 12:14 AM
I'm not sure Coin is "less evil" or "more evil" than Snow. In the books we only see things through Katniss's eyes -- and while she does have the occassional personal encounter with Snow, she (and therefore we) sees Coin's machinations up close and in person. So we know a lot more about Coin by the end than we know about Snow.

I agree Michelle Forbes would be excellent. She’s always been great in everything I’ve seen her do, staring with Engisn Ro, and her great, understated performance in Kalifornia (much more impressive than the over-the-top Juliette Lewis). Funny, though, when I was reading the books I pictured someone somewhat younger …

Kasey
04-18-2012, 02:01 AM
Funny, though, when I was reading the books I pictured someone somewhat younger …

I pictured Linda Evans, circa "Dynasty" with the immovable hair....

MarieM
04-18-2012, 08:29 AM
Admiral Cain would be FANTASTIC in Coin's shoes. She can do the ice queen bits without a quail :)

Buzz
04-20-2012, 12:11 AM
Just wanted to say that I hope the next movies highlights the growing difference of opinion between Gale and Katniss. And omit the whole digging out the tracker thing with a knife which makes little sense to me since they could see every move and that could sever an artery or something.

danceronice
04-20-2012, 12:28 AM
They have to get the tracker out somehow-Johanna did that so when the rebels came they could take Katniss and Beetee without the Gamemakers being able to track them after leaving the arena. I guess they could do it on the 13 hovercraft, but I think the intent in the book is to have Katniss confused and think Johanna (who's axe crazy, after all) has turned on her.

Spareoom
04-20-2012, 12:50 AM
Yeah, the tracker thing always made sense in theory but not in execution. I don't get how Johanna and the other rebels thought that this little jaunt would go unnoticed by the Gamemakers. Wouldn't it become instantly obvious that the tracker had left Katniss' body? Since it looked like Johanna was digging in there pretty deliberately, they would know that something was up. And it wasn't like Katniss instantly shot down the field afterwards; it was at least 10-15 minutes later; maybe longer. That would been more than enough time for the Capitol to be able to detect Thirteen's hovercraft in the area.

Anyway, the *only* explanation that I can come up with is that maybe trackers did go missing every now and then and the Gamemakers just dealt with it; I mean, what if a tribute hacks of another tribute's arm? No more tracker. They could have thought that Johanna did it on accident while she cut Katniss but yeah, it's a long shot at best.

Can I just say, though, how much I am looking forward to that crazy arena in CF? It's going to be crazy cool. Plus all the tributes except Peeta and Katniss will be adults, so there will be a completely different vibe. I think Johanna will be around 20 and we already know that Finnick is 24 (he won 10 years prior at the age of 14). And everyone else besides them is older.

Marge_Simpson
04-20-2012, 06:00 AM
I wish we'd gotten more of Johanna's backstory; she's a sympathetic character and I would have liked to learn more about her.

There's an interesting article here about biblical symbolism in "Catching Fire"
http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/guest-post-a-passover-reading-of-catching-fires-quell/

jl22aries
04-20-2012, 06:54 AM
Well they've cast the director. http://www.imdb.com/news/ni26609409/

The casting for Johanna will be interesting.

Buzz
04-20-2012, 10:10 AM
Never heard of Mr. Lawrence before but I trust these guys knows what they are doing. Good lck to him.

danceronice
04-20-2012, 02:39 PM
Well..."I Am Legend", not a great movie (though the ending mucking about wasn't his fault, test audiences couldn't handle the real ending apparently), "Constantine"....awful movie. Depends on how much those failed because of him and how much because of the writers....

And this quote under the article wins:


I still think we should throw 24 directors into an arena and let the one who's still standing by the end direct the movie...

Buzz
04-20-2012, 03:00 PM
Well..."I Am Legend", not a great movie (though the ending mucking about wasn't his fault, test audiences couldn't handle the real ending apparently), "Constantine"....awful movie. Depends on how much those failed because of him and how much because of the writers....

And this quote under the article wins:

Oh dear... Now you have me worried. But then again I am not familiar with Gary Ross's work either with the exception being Seabuscuit.

Artemis@BC
04-20-2012, 05:31 PM
(No relation Jennifer, I'm assuming. ;) )

I'm not familiar enough with his work to have much of an opinion one way or the other. But I'm keeping an open mind.

genevieve
04-20-2012, 06:40 PM
I really liked the movie "I Am Legend"...but I haven't read the book so I've no idea how it compares.

vesperholly
04-20-2012, 08:05 PM
Promisingly, he directed Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Lawrence#List_of_music_videos

Worryingly, he also directed Water for Elephants. I hated that movie but loved the book. Then again, it was horribly miscast - not necessarily the director's fault.

danceronice
04-20-2012, 09:09 PM
I really liked the movie "I Am Legend"...but I haven't read the book so I've no idea how it compares.

Well, again, it's not HIS fault, and IIRC at least one other movie version did the same hack job by basically getting rid of the original ending and entire point of the whole story, that the main character realizes the "monsters" are actually intelligent, for example setting traps for him and the one attempting to rescue the other, and HE is the monster in their eyes and has been the 'bad guy' all along. If I remember correctly he kills himself on this realization.

OTOH, "Kings" wasn't bad.

Cleolinda (of Movies in Fifteen Minutes) presents this thought: Tilda Swinton as President Coin....