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BigB08822
03-25-2012, 05:41 PM
I totally agree about Harrelson being completely miscast. I always imagined Haymitch as being a fat, bald, sloppy drunk. Harrelson seemed much more like a functioning alcoholic who would look rather nice with a haircut, shave and shower. The Haymitch I imagine was well past being cleaned up. I don't even know if the book ever mentions him being bald or fat (or maybe they specifically mention him being lean and having long hair) but that is the image stuck in my mind.

Mozart
03-25-2012, 05:48 PM
I loved Stanley Tucci (?) in this movie. He was perfect as Ceasar!

Mozart
03-25-2012, 05:54 PM
genevieve- I agree about the riot but it looked like it was started because her father went crazy with grief at her death. It must be hard for parens waching their children be killed/sacrificed for the state, etc.

genevieve
03-25-2012, 06:14 PM
Did not get any sense that the man who started it was Rue's father

Brian - agree about Haymitch's appearance - I didn't necessarily picture him bald, but definitely portly, and gone to seed. Certainly not with the fashionable "I shave every day with a guard on to make it look like I've got 2 days stubble at all times" look and a haircut that would have looked more at home in the Capitol.

I just found out that a coworker's sister did copyediting on the Hunger Games trilogy...she's not a fan.

bek
03-25-2012, 06:25 PM
"War is hell" is a good theme for a book, but I don't think it was handled particularly well. An author can convey this without knocking out their main character repeatedly. PTSD can manifest itself in other ways -- becoming hysterical isn't the only symptom.

Now that I know there were only supposed to be two books and that Collins was told to stretch it to three explains a lot of the mess of Mockingjay, imo.

Gen, I didn't mind Harrelson as Haymitch, but you are correct that we don't get enough explanation as to why he's such a drunk.

Perhaps but in a way she had both Peeta and her become what they feared, having to fight to be what they wanted to be. Peeta was afraid the Games would make him a killer, although in his defense It took them having to brainwash him and then he's off trying to kill the girl he loves

Katniss never wanted to become like her mother. In fact when you think about it that kind of depression ran in Katniss' family. Katniss went through a much difficult childhood than her mother, so was able to get through more things. In the beginning of the series, her whole purpose for living is to ensure that her family's survival particularly her little sister. So she spends her time hunting etc. It was Gale not her that was all about fighting the power, she was more I and those I love must survive.

What though the Hunger Games took from her though was the necessity of (her own existence) to those she loves survival. She saved her sister from the Games, yes but her leaving forced her mother and Prim to face the world without her, and they managed. In fact thats one thing she asks herself in book one when she realizes if she wins, the things that consumed her life (mainly the acquisition of food) won't be needed anymore. Who is she then? By the time she got back from the Games in the first book, they had all kinds of money and so the necessity of her was even less, I remember the focus on her "talent". So i think as solely but surely SHE became less necessary to those dearest to her, it became easier and easier for her to retreat into herself.

Plus too if Katniss hadn't Blacked out and became hysterical would she have even survived. Surely the rebels would have killed her than for killing President Coin. I doubt they were going to want to tell the world that it was a Rebel bomb that killed Capital children and rebel medics. So Katniss becoming that hysterical saved her life. .

Mozart
03-25-2012, 06:27 PM
I just assumed it was her father without any proof ;)

bek
03-25-2012, 06:29 PM
I just assumed it was her father without any proof ;)

I actually think Rue's town going crazy was perhaps also because of Katniss's reaction and Rue's song, in that moment humanity kind of crept in. In the Second Book its clear feelings even in the Capital towards the Hunger Games changed

I do agree that maybe the last book could have been down better. But I applaud the author for doing PST and having all of the characters become so affected. The only thing I didn't like was Peeta never being fully Peeta after the brainwashing but then I guess the point is he fought to remain Peeta

victoriajh
03-25-2012, 07:26 PM
I read the book in one night, loved it, but I can't seem to get into the second one- not sure why
Looking forward to seeing the move, if only to see the fire dress outfit!!! :)

michiruwater
03-25-2012, 09:34 PM
I got the impression that the man who started the riot was her father as well.

Saw it a second time today :shuffle: Just as affecting the second time as the first, maybe more because I could actually focus without all the extra adrenaline of a midnight showing.

Theatregirl1122
03-26-2012, 01:05 AM
The one story-related change that was just wrong, wrong, wrong was the aftermath of Rue's death. Her death scene was so well done, so effective, and just heartbreaking - but instead of giving us the District 11 bread gift to Katniss (which causes her to give the D12 salute), we get.....the riot scene from Book 2? Aside from plot purity, it just makes no sense. WHY would District 11 start rioting in the middle of the Hunger Games? They had to have known that at least one of their tributes was going to die, and while Rue's demise was devastating to us, I don't think it qualifies in the frame of the games as a particularly nasty or unfair death. A stupid, useless change.

This was really the one change that totally irritated me as well. I didn't like Harrelson's Haymich, either, although I wasn't sure if he was miscast or misdirected. I agree with those who thought Josh Hutcherson did a good job as Peeta. And I was initially concerned about his casting.

I liked the way that they used Caesar to explain things we needed to know (like the tracker jackers) but I didn't like the Snow interjections at all. Partially because, although Donald Sutherland is obviously amazing, he isn't snow to me AT ALL.

I didn't think they did a very good job showing how long the games took. The whole thing felt like it took a few days. There wasn't the sense of them wearing down. I also thought that the pace was too fast from the point that Katniss finds Peeta until the end. A lot of things in there could have been fleshed out. And I wish they'd left Thresh's death the way it was in the book. I wanted to see more of the aftermath in the capitol, Peeta finding out that she was playing up the love angle to keep them alive, etc. And I missed the moment of her throwing herself at the door when they take him from her. I think it helps show the way she's totally emotionally separated from the rest of the world that point and doesn't really realize that she is out of the games.

But overall I really did like it. I just have a lot of nitpicks. And I'm ashamed (not that ashamed) to say that I not only cried like a baby when Rue died, but also when Katniss volunteered.

michiruwater
03-26-2012, 01:29 AM
Those were my two main spots as well, and I cried more when Katniss volunteered the second time than the first time!

I agree that the sense of time in the Games didn't feel authentic. When they're shooting the fireballs at her, the clock in the Command Center says that 3 days have passed. It didn't feel like three days at all. I didn't think to see what the center says at the end, however, for how much time was supposed to have passed.

I thought the actress who played Clove was the best overall actor of the Career Tributes, but I will say that it was really noticeable how much younger she was than the other three. I always pictured Clove as being larger and more ferocious in appearance. Isabelle Furhman can't be taller than 5'2" or so and was really tiny. I think the actress was 14 when she was cast.

Kasey
03-26-2012, 01:38 AM
(Finally started reading the book....yeah, I tend to be behind the pop culture 8 ball)

Allen
03-26-2012, 01:54 AM
But overall I really did like it. I just have a lot of nitpicks. And I'm ashamed (not that ashamed) to say that I not only cried like a baby when Rue died, but also when Katniss volunteered.

Yeah, I started crying when Katniss volunteered. Abe was totally embarrassed that I was crying in the theatre...that is until he started crying when Rue died.

I'm with everyone who didn't think the District 11 riot scene made sense at all. Why they left out the loaf of bread...I have no idea because that was such a touching moment in the book.

Woody Harrellson didn't bother me...but I did think during the movie that he just seemed like himself, not necessarily Haymitch :)

Elizabeth Banks really surprised me. She really captured Effie to me. The people in the capital looked exactly how I pictured them in my head.

I was really happy with the movie. It was really just about the first time that a movie matched the image I had in my head from the book. I was a Jennifer Lawrence fan before, but I think I'm an uber now :)

michiruwater
03-26-2012, 02:21 AM
Elizabeth Banks was perfectly cast. I thought she would do a good job, but she was excellent. I didn't mine Harrelson, really - and both showings I went to, he got the most laughs, particular his comment to Effie about her clothes and the thumbs up he gave to Katniss after the pig. But I do think he should have been schwasted much more than he was. But I do think he was the weakest cast member in an otherwise fantastic cast.

I was a bit uncomfortable with the chemistry between Lenny Kravitz and Lawrence though. Did anyone else notice that? I thought he made a fantastic Cinna, but they just had loads and loads of chemistry, way more than she had with either Gale or Peeta. The comments he would make - "You made me like you" or the kisses on the forehead - just felt way more intimate than I had imagined in my head.

MacMadame
03-26-2012, 02:22 AM
TAnd I'm ashamed (not that ashamed) to say that I not only cried like a baby when Rue died, but also when Katniss volunteered.
I cried like a baby when Rue died and my dd laughed at me. But I really was crying, not that sniffing you normally do at the movies. I'm not sure why it upset me that much. But it did.


(Finally started reading the book....yeah, I tend to be behind the pop culture 8 ball)
I deliberately waited until I saw the movie and now my kid won't let me read her book because she started it again and isn't finished with it. :( I may have to download it after all instead of waiting.