View Full Version : Fixing the Canadian Ladies Program

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09-18-2012, 11:00 PM
Interesting list, but I'm wondering why the second place Jr dance team is getting funding but not the first place one - or am I just not seeing them?

09-20-2012, 11:24 PM
Hopefully Osmond can continue with her successes last year next week at Nebelhorn. She will get to go against Shelepen who got the TBA for Skate Canada.

In eraly competitions this year she has shown not holding back scoring around 150 at Wildrose with mistakes. Rumour has it that she was much imporved at the High Performance Camp.

09-21-2012, 05:21 PM
I was recently in Quebec and watched a few training sessions with Lacoste. I really dont know why she is always so bad in competition because she does some really good stuff in practice. She is working on 3Lz+3Lo which she is capable of landing clean ( most are downgraded or under-rotated) and her short program is looking really good. At the moment i still believe she is canadas best hope to get atleast 2 ladies spots for olympics.

09-21-2012, 06:02 PM
Everything changes for alot of skaters when the bright lights are on and the music is played. It is quite ok to be able to do certain elements while on practice ice, but when you try to do it to choroegraphy and music things change. Some skaters don't even practice the jumps with the connecting footwork that is in their programs. To be good you have to do it this way. Great on Amelie to be able to do it in practice. Why didn't she try it in SLC?

09-21-2012, 09:11 PM
I saw Amelie land a number of 3 loop/3 loop during practices when Nationals were in Victoria a couple of years ago. I suspect she lands LOTS of stuff in practice, and she is also very fast. Unfortunately she has been unable to it when it counts. It must be extremely frustrating for her!

09-21-2012, 11:44 PM
And if she hasn't learnt to compete by now, it's unlikely she ever will. Too bad. She's not a great skater, but she is a good one. If she was also a good competitor she'd probably do quite well.

09-23-2012, 03:52 PM
Not many. And almost all train with Orser who IMO is the only effective coach for the ladies. I would have even encouraged Joannie to have left her coach years ago. Joannie needed a triple triple and wasn't getting it. You can blame Joannie sure but I just think that there is a huge coaching problem with women in Canada. I think a lot of it is psychological, but I think they also wait way to late to work on difficult jumps. They aren't pushed enough IMO. But that may have to do with money and sponsorship. Regardless the women have been in serious trouble for over twenty years when the other three disciplines have done quite well.

I'm sorry but I don't think is right to call a coach who trained a skater to the World and Olympic podium as "uneffective" Yes maybe Joannie needed a harder 3/3 she kind of came up in a different time though and was one of the few if only top skaters who had all of her triples. If she had stuck around she could have been a world champ. Orser wasn't even a coach for most of Rochette's career and by the time he stared he was already coaching her competitor.

09-24-2012, 07:41 PM
Canadian ladies have not had to compete at a high level in the past years because they did not have too. I think they only looked inside Canada and practiced/skated based on what they needed to excel in Canada. Hopefully the next group do not look at Phaneuf/Lacoste as the ones to beat. Hopefully they look at the top 5-10 in the world to help with their desire to succeed.

09-24-2012, 08:10 PM
And if she hasn't learnt to compete by now, it's unlikely she ever will. Too bad. She's not a great skater, but she is a good one. If she was also a good competitor she'd probably do quite well.

Exactly - Amelie has enough technical content in her programs that if she had even just rotated everything planned with even minor -GOEs, she would finished somewhere like 7th or 8th at 2012 or even 2011 Worlds.

The problem is the kind of mistakes she tends to make are popping/doubling jump elements.

09-25-2012, 01:10 PM
Well i think she had made a promising start of the season after SLC. Hopefully she can improve on her performance and skate well at Skate Canada

10-04-2012, 09:19 PM
Bumping this thread to include the link of Chartrand's SP from JGP Croatia today - she's in fourth place!

10-04-2012, 09:27 PM
Good job. Haven't seen the protocols, but looks like the 3T and 3F will be downgraded.

10-04-2012, 09:29 PM
The 3T was < and the 3F was <<

11-01-2012, 03:24 PM
Bumping this up with the news that Myriane Samson announced her retirement this morning. Not at all surprised. I wish her well in her post-skating life.

11-01-2012, 03:34 PM
Oh, what a sad news:( Wish her the best of luck in her future.