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PrincessLeppard
05-08-2012, 02:19 AM
One who's gonna survive the zombie apocalypse while all the pretty prose people are all clutching their pearls and hyperventilating. And wishing they'd read World War Z instead of To Kill a Mockingbird wannabe.

And then getting eaten.

*coughSpinnercough*

Prancer
05-08-2012, 02:54 AM
One who's gonna survive the zombie apocalypse while all the pretty prose people are all clutching their pearls and hyperventilating. And wishing they'd read World War Z instead of To Kill a Mockingbird wannabe.

So....since there have been no zombies, how can you be sure that World War Z is right?

What if everything you know is wrong?

PrincessLeppard
05-08-2012, 04:20 AM
My head just exploded.

Spinner
05-08-2012, 04:28 AM
My head just exploded.

That'll make it easier for the zombies. If in fact they do eat brains. We may never know.

dinakt
05-08-2012, 04:50 AM
I broke down and read "The Hunger Games". Well... I certainly did not want to put it down, but it is very much a "dark young adult" read, with sentences appropriately short. I'll be in the minority, but parts of "Mockingjay" were my absolute favorites. I loved political relativism, the unflinching portrayal of devastating effects of war; I loved how messed up Peeta became while still trying to find pieces of himself- it all rang true. I REALLY cared for the characters in the first half of "Mockingjay". The last third of the book lost me, too much repetition. Killing off of a couple of characters would have been very painful had I not read about it in advance. However, I loved the twist at the end and the very ending; I did not mind that it was brief. Then again, I am a Peeta supporter all the way; I admire grit, but I love reflection and non- violent ideals.
Comparing the utterly uncomparable, Peeta is Modern Young Adult Action Figure of somebody like Yury Zhivago, and Gale is the Modern Young Adult Action Figure of Pasha Antipov ( that's my segue into Russian novels) :D

As IceAlisa said- "Master and Margarita" is iconic in Russia. It is worshipped and quoted. I was sad to realize that it does not translate well- my English- speaking friends rarely got the impact it had ( and has) in Russia. I have not compared translations. I think, to appreciate it one has to know Soviet realities- from lack of living space to theatrical/ literary censorship to enforced atheism. But it is a great novel.

For the intro to Russian literature I would recommend Chekhov, "Anna Karenina", "Crime and Punishment", perhaps Rybakov's "Children of Arbat".
My personal "dearest- to - my- heart- novel" is " Doctor Zhivago", but it definitely requires a long list of name variants nearby. But for the broad portrayal of Russian Revolution from a stand- point of deeply decent people getting swept in it, it is incredible.

IceAlisa
05-08-2012, 05:29 AM
Do you think that American audiences would enjoy Rybakov's Heavy Sand (http://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Sand-Anatoly-Rybakov/dp/0140055355)?

This addresses some of the issues of Master and Margarita translations: http://orangeraisin.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/master-and-margarita-best-translation/

I swear, it might be easier to learn Russian than to properly translate that thing. :scream:

dinakt
05-08-2012, 05:57 AM
Do you think that American audiences would enjoy Rybakov's Heavy Sand (http://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Sand-Anatoly-Rybakov/dp/0140055355)?

This addresses some of the issues of Master and Margarita translations: http://orangeraisin.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/master-and-margarita-best-translation/

I swear, it might be easier to learn Russian than to properly translate that thing. :scream:

( whispering, red from shame- I have not read " Heavy Sand", though of course always heard about it. I'll put it on my must- read- ASAP-list)

Thanks for the article about translating "M&M". Very interesting ( and exasperating- makes me think what I miss in all those books I read in translation).

Wyliefan
05-08-2012, 02:54 PM
Finally, the sequel to Wolf Hall is out (http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-world-hilary-mantels-bring-up-the-bodies/2012/05/07/gIQAlVF08T_story.html)!

Ajax
05-08-2012, 06:09 PM
This addresses some of the issues of Master and Margarita translations: http://orangeraisin.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/master-and-margarita-best-translation/


Thank you, that's very interesting! I had the Mirra Gainsburg translation which is apparently based on a heavily censored version of the novel. Although I'm not sure that my issue with the novel was with the language per se... I am also not familiar with the Bible at all so the whole deal with Pontius Pilate went right over my head - did not get what was going on there at all. I think the author expects you to be familiar with the Biblical stories so that you can understand the point he is trying to make, but I wasn't so it didn't work.

attyfan
05-09-2012, 12:11 AM
Finally, the sequel to Wolf Hall is out (http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-world-hilary-mantels-bring-up-the-bodies/2012/05/07/gIQAlVF08T_story.html)!

Can't wait to read it!

IceAlisa
05-09-2012, 01:34 AM
dinakt, Heavy Sand is heartbreaking. So make sure you are not in a very vulnerable mood when you read it. It's one of those books you have to brace yourself for.

Ajax, if you are completely unfamiliar with any of the environments of the novel, and were reading a heavily censored translation, I can't blame you for not finishing the book.

flyingsit
05-09-2012, 01:11 PM
I finished Pride and Prejudice and Zombies and moved on to Death Comes to Pemberley. What can I say, I had reserved them both and they came at the same time. In Death I came across a mention of Mr. Collins and his wife Charlotte and my first thought was Wait, she's dead, she was bitten by a zombie.

Wyliefan
05-09-2012, 04:23 PM
Can't wait to read it!

So far so good! I love the way her writing flows. It's almost poetic, even when she's writing about something mundane like household arrangements! :)

Zemgirl
05-09-2012, 04:31 PM
I finished Pride and Prejudice and Zombies and moved on to Death Comes to Pemberley. What can I say, I had reserved them both and they came at the same time. In Death I came across a mention of Mr. Collins and his wife Charlotte and my first thought was Wait, she's dead, she was bitten by a zombie.
I found Pride and Prejudice and Zombies too gimmicky for my liking, but I loved Charlotte's reason for marrying Mr. Collins; much more believable that in the original P&P! :D

IceAlisa
05-09-2012, 05:35 PM
Can you give a kindle edition book as a present even if you don't have kindle yourself?