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triple_toe
01-30-2012, 04:36 AM
^I do too, I don't think anyone should be retiring the skaters for them. I just got the feeling that Rachael's long was, in her mind, her last performance (at least for the time being). I know she's been through a lot in the past year but I think there was more to her reaction than just relief. She doesn't usually get so emotional, and that, coupled with a few of her comments leading up to the competition, just gave me the feeling that she had planned it to be her swan song.

Marco
01-30-2012, 04:40 AM
^This.

And to those who continue harping on Rachael for skating injured at Worlds when a "more than capable alternate was available," after Mirai's performance last night, how can anyone claim that sending her last year would have made things any different? :shuffle:

Well, in 2010 and 2011, Nagasu improved from her Nationals skate at Olympics (2010) and 4CCs (2011).

From 2009 to 2011, Flatt left her best at Nationals, and her Worlds performance was always worse.

Cheylana
01-30-2012, 06:11 AM
^^ Nothing was really at stake for Nagasu at 2010 Olympics or 2011 4CCs. Nobody expected her to bring home an Olympic medal or get Worlds spots for the US ladies. So naturally she skated well. When expectations for Mirai go up, like at 2010 Worlds, she crumbles.

Look at Skate Canada. When everyone expected her to contend for a GPF spot, she bombs at that comp. The one week later, with virtually no chance for GPF, she grabs silver at COC.

IceAlisa
01-30-2012, 06:23 AM
^^ Nothing was really at stake for Nagasu at 2010 Olympics...

:rolleyes:

Cheylana
01-30-2012, 06:34 AM
How many media outlets said Mirai or Rachael was expected to medal at the Olympics? Nobody put pressure on them to keep the US ladies tradition of medaling at the Olmpics alive.

Would Mirai have been a better option at 2011 Worlds than Rachael? Sure but no sure thing.

iarispiralllyof
01-30-2012, 06:38 AM
they should only retire if they want to. mirai has so much potential, and she is still quite young. i don't enjoy rachael's skating, but she really should be commended for being able to balance a respectable skating career with stanford.

basically, i'm a michelle fan, and considering that she had to endure taunts calling her to retire for the entire second half of her career, i can only be sympathetic towards other skaters who face similar criticism, whether it's rachael or fumie suguri.

basically, as long as they put the work in to be able to qualify at nationals...they have every right. and btw? i've always DETESTED the idea that older skaters should move on after a certain point to make room for the new girls. what a ridiculous notion! if they're good enough, they should step up to the plate!

victoriaheidi
01-30-2012, 07:07 AM
I hate the idea that we should question whether or not they should retire.

In either case, though, I legitimately wouldn't be shocked if Rachael was considering it at this point. I doubt it would be a new thought to her. Yes, she's a 4CC alternate, and I think that's because she doesn't want to do anything official yet. But I would be far from shocked if she DID retire.

Sasha'sSpins
01-30-2012, 07:46 AM
^This.

And to those who continue harping on Rachael for skating injured at Worlds when a "more than capable alternate was available," after Mirai's performance last night, how can anyone claim that sending her last year would have made things any different? :shuffle:

By the same token had Mirai performed at Worlds the way she did at 4CC's (or at the Olympics for that matter) she just might have helped earn those 3 spots back. We'll never know since she never got the chance to try.


Well, in 2010 and 2011, Nagasu improved from her Nationals skate at Olympics (2010) and 4CCs (2011).

From 2009 to 2011, Flatt left her best at Nationals, and her Worlds performance was always worse.

^^^
THIS!


^^ Nothing was really at stake for Nagasu at 2010 Olympics or 2011 4CCs. Nobody expected her to bring home an Olympic medal or get Worlds spots for the US ladies. So naturally she skated well. When expectations for Mirai go up, like at 2010 Worlds, she crumbles.

Look at Skate Canada. When everyone expected her to contend for a GPF spot, she bombs at that comp. The one week later, with virtually no chance for GPF, she grabs silver at COC.


:rolleyes:

I echo your sentiment.

skateboy
01-30-2012, 08:04 AM
I hate the idea that we should question whether or not they should retire.


THIS.

When someone states that Skater X should retire, I think what's really being said is, "I don't like Skater X" or "Skater X isn't improving and I really don't want to have to watch anymore." Fair enough, I've felt the same way about certain skaters from time to time.

But suggesting retirement is another issue. We really don't know what compels an elite athlete to do what they do and there are probably a number of reasons why someone would choose or not choose to retire. It's definitely a big decision for someone who has spent their life pursuing an admirable dream.

The Fly On The Wall
01-30-2012, 08:49 AM
How many media outlets said Mirai or Rachael was expected to medal at the Olympics? Nobody put pressure on them to keep the US ladies tradition of medaling at the Olympics alive.

Would Mirai have been a better option at 2011 Worlds than Rachael? Sure but no sure thing.

Well-said in both your posts. I know exactly what you were getting at.

mrinalini
01-30-2012, 08:52 AM
Yes, no offense, but what a stupid question.

Even if they don't place in the top 10 for the rest of their careers, they shouldn't retire as long as they don't want to. Mirai is potentially the best in the US right now, and she's realized that potential to the extent that she's made it to the Olympics which is something the much older Alissa can't claim. I'm sure everyone was crowing for Alissa to throw in the towel years ago and look where she is now. As long as Mirai is committed to skating, she can place badly in the next couple of seasons and still end up rising to the top much like Alissa has.

Even Rachael isn't a gone case, IMO. She hasn't been her consistent self lately because her training has been affected, but if she should ever get the sports + studies combo under control, she'll go back to being Reliable Rachael, I should think. Yes, I don't think she'll ever be World/Olympic champion just because of the kind of skater that she is, but then no one would be left skating if that criterion had to be met.

RockTheTassel
01-30-2012, 09:25 AM
If I were Rachael, I would probably retire after having a respectable last performance, a fantastic career as a national champion and Olympian, and a bright future ahead at a great university. But obviously it's Rachael's decision, and if she decides to continue, more power to her. If she does stop now, she can certainly look back on plenty of wonderful moments. :)

sadya
01-30-2012, 09:31 AM
You never know what happens. Figure skating especially is a sport where the most unexpected can happen.

Prior to 1999 nobody believed Butyrskaya could ever be world champion, not even after her 1998 Euros win. She was past mid-20s when she won however. Her problems as far as becoming too nervous and as a result making mistakes remind me of Czisny nowadays and Kostner the past few years. But look at Kostner now! How many times have people said Kostner should stop, yet she won Grand Prix Final and Euros this season.

Kwan has been told she was washed up and should retire countless times. I remember even as soon as 1997 people writing she had nothing left to offer to the sport, how wrong they were as she bounced back within the same season her troubles started, by Worlds '97 she was back on track.

Many people were angry when Wylie was sent to Albertville saying he had had his time and, yet he went home with the silver.

There are many examples of skaters who eventually made it, even when things looked negative before. One day everything came together for them and they proved themselves they had been right in staying in competitions and proved their critics wrong.

This makes figure skating even more interesting.

briancoogaert
01-30-2012, 09:53 AM
Rachael and Mirai are having a difficult season, but they are both talented, and it's not as if US have a lot of other good skaters.
I mean, if Alissa and Ashley can give 3 spots for 2013 Worlds, who knows who will be in the World team ? Mirai can.

Marco
01-30-2012, 10:10 AM
If I were Rachael, I would probably retire after having a respectable last performance, a fantastic career as a national champion and Olympian, and a bright future ahead at a great university. But obviously it's Rachael's decision, and if she decides to continue, more power to her. If she does stop now, she can certainly look back on plenty of wonderful moments. :)

Word.

All I can think of is Fumie Suguri. She didn't retire on a good note after posting her best Olympic and World finish in 2006 but instead went on to miss qualifying for Worlds year after year after year, all the whilst just looking for a decent performance for closure.

Little did she know a decent performance never really came again. Finally this year she didn't even qualify for Nationals.