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stevlin
01-29-2012, 07:10 PM
NBC did not show Richard Dornbush's short program and maybe they won't even show his long program. I am hoping someone video taped them and put them on you tube. I especially love his "cowboy" number. Thanks

olympic
01-30-2012, 04:26 PM
They will be on Icenetwork. Other than that, I don't know.

euterpe
01-30-2012, 04:39 PM
Dornbush skated a good FS, though his SP was horrid. His FS was the 5th highest of all the men, but he was so far back (17th) after the SP that even his high-scoring FS couldn't move him up that much.

barbk
01-30-2012, 09:06 PM
I'd say that his FS was rated more highly by the judges than I would have rated it. The jumping passes were ok, not fabulous. But even discounting the jump issues, it was a performance that really lacked the spark and verve he had at nationals last year. His SP was awful, but his FS at Nationals didn't look hugely different to me than his FS looked in the fall. Not particularly the case that he had a fab fall and simply had one horrible day at Nationals.YMMV.

olympic
01-30-2012, 09:41 PM
I'd say that his FS was rated more highly by the judges than I would have rated it. The jumping passes were ok, not fabulous. But even discounting the jump issues, it was a performance that really lacked the spark and verve he had at nationals last year. His SP was awful, but his FS at Nationals didn't look hugely different to me than his FS looked in the fall. Not particularly the case that he had a fab fall and simply had one horrible day at Nationals.YMMV.

I consider myself an uber (which is a first for me!), and he wasn't at his best but every element he executes to completion is of high quality - fast, centered spins, high, rotated jumps, speed, and he does get into character much better than most other US men (except Abbott). Perhaps, the judges were considering that.

You have a point, though. Even I as an uber would've ended his season at Nats if I were a USFSA official, but if you look at the 4CC assignments, he's listed as an alternate. The USFSA loves him obviously.

stevlin
02-03-2012, 04:55 PM
I just wish someone would put Ricky's sp and fp on you tube. I can't do a pay for skate right now.

aftershocks
02-22-2012, 09:40 AM
Ricky is a talented skater -- he just had a rough season. Perhaps he felt a lot of pressure coming into 2011-2012 season being touted as the "highest scoring US man at 2011 Worlds." That really didn't mean much IMO, b/c both Ross and Ricky skated well at 2011 Worlds but were low-balled in the scores. I tend to believe that the pressure combined with training and competing the quad this season may have thrown off Ricky's timing and confidence. Hope he comes back strong next season. Ricky's fp from 2010-2011 was extraordinarily good b/c it highlighted his strengths combined with good music and wonderful choreography. It might serve Ricky well if he could rework his current sp into a fp, or keep his current sp for next season and look for interesting music to craft a new fp that can highlight his strengths in the way that his Sherlock Holmes program accomplished. It seemed to help Ross that he kept his sp from last season and found dramatic music and good choreo for a new fp.

Unfortunately, Ricky might have been better served by USFS showing their support and belief in him in another way, and simply allowing Armin to compete at 4CC as a reward for his great showing at Nats. I was impressed by Armin's decision to switch coaches late in the season, and by how well he competed at Nats, especially in the sp when he had to follow Jeremy Abbott. Armin was able to rise to the occasion and use the energy in the arena to his advantage.

I feel the U.S. men have such great depth, and it is unfortunate so many talented U.S. men can not compete at Worlds. It is too bad that so much emphasis has been placed on the quad, sometimes to the exclusion of rewarding well-rounded athleticism and artistry. I believe this is a problem b/c the sport did not have the vision to really examine how the quad would impact the men's field -- that it wouldn't simply evolve as a matter of course -- that it was a hugely difficult element to incorporate for many skaters -- that its impact would be felt in many ways through injuries, through affecting for many skaters the rhythm and technique of their other jumps, as well as the endurance factor of performing quads. A lot of these issues should have been addressed sooner. There was a need for clear and definitive guidelines to be set, instead of fluctuating back and forth on the importance of including quads.

paskatefan
02-22-2012, 03:34 PM
^ Well said, aftershocks. I'm no "techie," but Ricky had a great comeback in the free skate. Anyone can have a tough performance/tough season(s). Never count him or anyone else out!

re: 4CC, as much as I like Ricky, I do wish Armin had been given the opportunity to compete there.

aftershocks
02-22-2012, 05:43 PM
ITA paskatefan! Ricky came back well at Nats in his fp. I think he had a really good sp this season too which in some respects I like more than his fp this season (although both were pretty good). One of the difficulties for Ricky this season may have been how much time it took to develop both programs. His original sp to Tennesse Ernie Ford's 16 Tons, as I recall, was scrapped for his revamped sp to classical music (Beethoven's Symphony No. 5). I really liked this new sp, but perhaps Ricky didn't have enough time to train it to the point where he was completely comfortable with it? And then during the course of the season, I believe Ricky and his coach made some adjustments to his fp too.

As I said, it might serve Ricky well to hold onto this season's sp, and focus on finding something unique for a new fp that highlights his strengths and provides him with a challenge for further development and growth as a skater.

Cheylana
02-22-2012, 05:54 PM
ITA paskatefan! Ricky came back well at Nats and at 4CC in his fp.
Were we watching the same thing? Ricky barely cracked 100 for that pitiful 4CC freeskate.

Sylvia
02-22-2012, 05:57 PM
His original sp to Tennesse Ernie Ford's 16 Tons, as I recall, was scrapped for his revamped sp to classical music (Beethoven's Symphony No. 5). I really liked this new sp, but perhaps Ricky didn't have enough time to train it to the point where he was completely comfortable with it?
Dornbush debuted the Beethoven SP (violin performance by David Garrett) at Skate America in October so I don't think training time was the issue. My feeling is that the music tempo may have been almost too frantic/fast, resulting in him rushing his jumps in the SP. ETA: Skate America was the closest he came to a "clean" SP in 4 attempts this season (70.03) - he landed all his jumps but received < on his 3A and 'e' on his 3F.

Yazmeen
02-22-2012, 06:00 PM
I feel the U.S. men have such great depth, and it is unfortunate so many talented U.S. men can not compete at Worlds. It is too bad that so much emphasis has been placed on the quad, sometimes to the exclusion of rewarding well-rounded athleticism and artistry. I believe this is a problem b/c the sport did not have the vision to really examine how the quad would impact the men's field -- that it wouldn't simply evolve as a matter of course -- that it was a hugely difficult element to incorporate for many skaters -- that its impact would be felt in many ways through injuries, through affecting for many skaters the rhythm and technique of their other jumps, as well as the endurance factor of performing quads. A lot of these issues should have been addressed sooner. There was a need for clear and definitive guidelines to be set, instead of fluctuating back and forth on the importance of including quads.

OMG, don't let caseyedwards read this, she'll implode!!!! :lol:

Seriously, totally agree all around. Unfortunately, the winning men's program at the Vancouver Olympics ignited the quad controversy yet again (mostly due to griping on the part of the second-place finisher, but that's old news/old threads). My big gripe about COP is that we're seeing the death of the truly well-rounded program. The quad back and forth is frustrating as are many aspects of COP (remember when we had ladies skaters who actually tried to include all the triples save perhaps axel in their programs and who did beautiful spins instead of ugly but difficult position spins, etc. to rack up points?). There needs to be some balance achieved somewhere instead of pushing skaters to risk injury or all programs starting to look very cookie cutter instead of unique.

aftershocks
02-23-2012, 05:17 AM
Were we watching the same thing? Ricky barely cracked 100 for that pitiful 4CC freeskate.

My bad re the reference that Ricky came back strong at 4CC. (Thanks -- I will edit) :)

Thanks for the points you made too Sylvia re Ricky's sp debut, etc.

Completely agree with your points Yazmeen. That's why programs like Jeremy's and Dai's this season (I like Adam's programs too, esp. his sp) are such standouts for their gorgeous choreo and presentation that overcome the strictures and limitations of IJS.

Yukari Lepisto
02-23-2012, 11:24 AM
Does anyone think he might change coach?

olympic
02-23-2012, 12:43 PM
Does anyone think he might change coach?

I almost didn't want to bring it up. He and Tammy seemed to have good chemistry. He has good technique [for the most part], speed and musicality, and he's been with her since the beginning. So, I would think she gave him that good technique. On paper, the relationship looks good.

However, who knows? Maybe she a Priscilla Hill type; 'big sister' or 'mom' personality, rather than a stern disciplinarian when necessary.