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mag
01-30-2012, 06:32 PM
The quote about working with Barinova is, IMHO, very telling. I agree that skaters need to push their boundaries, but if Mirai is embarrassed by the emotions and or sexiness required for her programs then they are the wrong programs for her. Everyone grows up at a different pace. I get the impression that Mirai is a very very young 18. If she stays with Frank, I hope that he will take that into consideration with her programs next year.

Jammers
01-30-2012, 06:32 PM
Mirai needs to grow up simple as that. Maybe she needs to move away from her folks and find out on her own what she wants. If she's skating for other people and not herself then she needs to quit. Being on her own would make her grow up fast.

berthesghost
01-30-2012, 06:37 PM
The quote about working with Barinova is, IMHO, very telling. I agree that skaters need to push their boundaries, but if Mirai is embarrassed by the emotions and or sexiness required for her programs then they are the wrong programs for her. Everyone grows up at a different pace. I get the impression that Mirai is a very very young 18. If she stays with Frank, I hope that he will take that into consideration with her programs next year.I disagree. Mirai's interviews, as nonsensical as they often are, usually boil down to " excuse excuse excuse, but I'm unwilling to even try change"

All of that "I'm shy" talk can pretty much be lifted word for word from any random Kristy Yama interview, even the non skating ones. She pretty much said all of this while continuously blowing the completion away on dwts.

Mirai isn't successful because she doesn't want to be.

IceAlisa
01-30-2012, 06:42 PM
From the several articles I've read so far and from what I've seen in San Jose, I would guess that the motivation is not the problem but ability to focus. They are not the same thing.

Seems like Mirai lets what Frank considers "little things" get in the way of her focus on her goals. Emotions get the best of her. The evidence of this in San Jose is when Mirai's name was called by a fan during the free skate and she actually turned to look--why?

Another episode of being unnerved by little things was when after a practice she got off the ice and was walking out of the rink, an elderly lady, obviously an overly enthusiastic fan, called to her and said that she is such a little doll. Mirai flinched and couldn't find words to respond so she just kind of blinked a few times and walked away. Granted, it wasn't the most appropriate thing to say to a powerful athlete in the 21st century but it appeared to have irritated her somewhat.

berthesghost
01-30-2012, 06:49 PM
In San Jose Rudy galindo not only responded to his name being called, but actually broke character to wave to someone in the stands, all while giving one of the most beloved performances of all time.

FiveRinger
01-30-2012, 06:59 PM
Thanks, IceAlisa for both of those posts with the interview snippets.

It was good to hear from both Mirai and her coach (and possibly Evan) as opposed to reading all of the negative comments and speculation.

Part of being 18 is about figuring it all out.....just because you're 18 and you're an "adult" doesn't mean the light automatically goes on and you instantly have all of the answers.

There is a big difference in winning the national title at 14, when you are completely unaware of the pressure and expectations, and being 18 and having people who mean so much to you put an unbelieveable amount of pressure on you to perform and to also have to deal with the expectations that you have for yourself. That is a lot to deal with, I don't care how old you are. I mean, really, how many of you had it all together when you were 18?

It's really easy for us to sit at home with remotes in our hands and to speculate as to why this is or why that is, and some of us even pretend to be psychics and mind readers....Why doesn't everybody give Mirai and her team a chance to reflect back on the performances (that were just a few days ago) and see if in the near someone might tell us something significant.....and then you can jump all over it with our opinions about whether or not she should skate or retire or go to the beach or whatever the hell.

Lots of performers have anxiety, stage fright, panic attacks, and all of that. I remember Mirai's last nationals when she was still with Charlene Wong and she was absolutely terrified to get onto the ice. I'll never forget it because I had never seen it before in a skater and it was really sad to watch. If that is indeed the problem, it does take time to work through those kinds of issues, and for an emotional person it's going to be even more challenging. But that's my personal opinion.....I'm not going to try to guess as to what the real problem. But I'm more disturbed by some of the posts on this thread than I am with Mirai's performance. But I shouldn't be surprised.....Alissa and Caroline have gotten their acts together for the most part. People should be, if they aren't already, tired of whipping on poor Rachael, so I guess Mirai is the next best target for.

IceAlisa
01-30-2012, 07:04 PM
In San Jose Rudy galindo not only responded to his name being called, but actually broke character to wave to someone in the stands, all while giving one of the most beloved performances of all time.

I don't know if you noticed, but Mirai is not Rudy Galindo. It may have worked for him and didn't disturb his focus. Mirai's focus does seem fragile, OTOH especially when taken in context with what was observed at Nationals and the articles.

winterone
01-30-2012, 09:12 PM
Mirai is going in the wrong direction. Simply not improving and all you have to do is look at the skating performance to see this.

Nekatiivi
01-30-2012, 09:43 PM
From what I have read about Mirai I get a sense that she has very similiar personality as I do, paired with rather stright upbringing. Not a good combination...

But best luck for Mirai for sorting her problems out! It is not easy, but it can be done. :)

Jammers
01-31-2012, 12:01 AM
If Mirai doesn't improve she will go down with skaters like Tonya Harding and Nicole Bobek as skaters who had all the talent in the world but didn't fullfill it.

berthesghost
01-31-2012, 12:02 AM
I don't know if you noticed, but Mirai is not Rudy Galindo. It may have worked for him and didn't disturb his focus. Mirai's focus does seem fragile, OTOH especially when taken in context with what was observed at Nationals and the articles.
Exactly! For everyone of mirai's lame ass excuses on why she can't succeed there is at least 1 ready example of someone who did.
There is nothing and no one holding back nagasu except for the simple fact that she doesn't want it.

mag
01-31-2012, 12:40 AM
Exactly! For everyone of mirai's lame ass excuses on why she can't succeed there is at least 1 ready example of someone who did.
There is nothing and no one holding back nagasu except for the simple fact that she doesn't want it.

This reminds me of a Saturday Night Live skit where they have Hillary and Sarah giving a speech. Sarah is going on and on about how you just have to want something enough to make it so. I can't find the clip now, but Amy P's response is perfect as Hillary. She goes on and on sarcastically about how yes, she wasn't headed to the White House because she just didn't want it enough.

I have no idea if Mirai want it or not, but it seems a bit of an insult to Mirai and all the other skaters out there to suggest that whether she makes it or not is based only on how much she wants it. I suspect it is a bit more complicated than that.

skatesindreams
01-31-2012, 01:06 AM
Whatever the cause of Mirai's current problems, I hope that a solution can be found.
It was awful to see her so miserable on Saturday.

I would hate for the memory of that performance to be her last competitive experience.
It wasn't something that you would want anyone to carry inside for the rest of their life.

IceAlisa
01-31-2012, 01:23 AM
Exactly! For everyone of mirai's lame ass excuses on why she can't succeed there is at least 1 ready example of someone who did.
There is nothing and no one holding back nagasu except for the simple fact that she doesn't want it.

I don't understand--because something worked for another skater, it should automatically work for everyone?

How about she should dump FC and have her father in K&C instead? Perhaps that's how you get to be a 5-time world champion...:rolleyes:

victoriaheidi
01-31-2012, 01:33 AM
Honestly, I think the speculation that Mirai just doesn't want it is as bad as my own speculation about what may be going on in her head.