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Jarrett
01-29-2012, 09:06 PM
Yea, I'm over Mirai. Id rather cheer for skaters that appear to want to be skating. None and I mean none of her skating was inspirational this week or this season in general. I wish her goodluck in whatever she does next, if that is working in the family shop or winning an olympic medal, but I know for one thing. I wont really care either way unless she does a complete 180.

iarispiralllyof
01-29-2012, 09:09 PM
isn't she going to UC Irvine next year?

Mayra
01-29-2012, 09:23 PM
Mirai is only 18 years old. Skaters like Alissa and Carolina Kostner seemed to find their mojo after 20. Carolina Zhang and Ashley too are proof that even if it's not happening year in, year out one shouldn't give up on the dream. Mirai may still find what it is that she needs to get her over that hump. I don't believe she's done yet, nor should she be done yet. She's in a slump but she can get past it with lots and lots of hard work, and perseverance.

Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom(skating-wise) to put things into perspective. It allows you to take a step back and look at things in a different light. Ashley, Caroline, Carolina and Alissa have all been there and have obviously grown from their experiences. Maybe Mirai can do the same.

berthesghost
01-29-2012, 09:30 PM
Jeez how many times does mirai need to hit rock bottom and rebound only to bottom out all over again before she learns these lessons? After she imploded at 2009 nats not even coming close to defending her title or making the world team, she made major changes, new coach etc.. And rebound to finish an impressive 4th in Vancouver. If she didn't learn anything from that, she's a lost cause.

victoriaheidi
01-29-2012, 09:34 PM
I hate speculating about this stuff, and please don't hate on me for this, but I've wondered for a while now if maybe Mirai has ADD or some other logical, treatable explanation for her distractedness.

Mayra
01-29-2012, 09:47 PM
Jeez how many times does mirai need to hit rock bottom and rebound only to bottom out all over again before she learns these lessons? After she imploded at 2009 nats not even coming close to defending her title or making the world team, she made major changes, new coach etc.. And rebound to finish an impressive 4th in Vancouver. If she didn't learn anything from that, she's a lost cause.

How many times did Alissa turn in one bombed skate after another before finding some semblance of consistency(sketchy at that)? Ditto Carolina Kostner. Sorry but life isn't always simple. Sometimes growth takes time.

agalisgv
01-29-2012, 09:52 PM
I hate speculating about this stuff, and please don't hate on me for this, but I've wondered for a while now if maybe Mirai has ADD or some other logical, treatable explanation for her distractedness.


After she imploded at 2009 nats not even coming close to defending her title or making the world team, she made major changes, new coach etc.. And rebound to finish an impressive 4th in Vancouver. Does the above sound like someone not capable of focusing?

I think some are missing the obvious--when someone is really distracted, it's generally because they aren't terribly into whatever they happen to be doing at the moment.

This really isn't a mystery IMO--Frank has said she doesn't train diligently, she says over and over she'd rather be at the beach or watching reality tv than skating, she says she's not prepared for competitions, she says she isn't internally motivated and that Evan is not only more motivated than her, but in far better physical shape despite not competing anymore, and her skating has been utterly devoid of effort and enthusiasm for this season and much of last season.

When she wanted something, she worked hard for it--competing in Vancouver. But there's no indication she has wanted to continue skating after that. So she keeps phoning in programs.

Now, she could change her mind down the road--definitely possible. But I don't think there's anything going on but the obvious here--she just isn't into skating anymore. No ADD, no deep, dark family troubles. She just ain't into it.

It is what it is.

Subway
01-29-2012, 09:58 PM
Maybe it's more about what rfisher says about the work ethic. That's not a diss because a lot of figure skaters struggle with the kind of focus and dedication it takes, but still love the actual skating. That's how the world ends up with a lot of talented, promising figure skaters whose talent takes them pretty far but not as far as talent paired with the work it takes. It's really torture to be fans of a skater like that because they keep you hoping. If only they weren't into figure skating, they'd leave the sport for something else. Most of them love figure skating but the rest of it is love/hate. They're always making fresh starts and then the same things keep happening. A lot of them go pretty far in the sport anyway. I won't mention names besides possibly Mirai, just because some fans really don't like the idea of this. They're more comfortable with another explanation, like nerves or confidence.

change of edge
01-29-2012, 10:41 PM
Maybe it's more about what rfisher says about the work ethic. That's not a diss because a lot of figure skaters struggle with the kind of focus and dedication it takes, but still love the actual skating. That's how the world ends up with a lot of talented, promising figure skaters whose talent takes them pretty far but not as far as talent paired with the work it takes. It's really torture to be fans of a skater like that because they keep you hoping. If only they weren't into figure skating, they'd leave the sport for something else. Most of them love figure skating but the rest of it is love/hate. They're always making fresh starts and then the same things keep happening. A lot of them go pretty far in the sport anyway. I won't mention names besides possibly Mirai, just because some fans really don't like the idea of this. They're more comfortable with another explanation, like nerves or confidence.

^very well said.

I actually think Mirai wants to win as much as anyone else. It's just that she fears failure more than other people do, so she's had to develop defense mechanisms to cope. All that pre-competition talk to lower expectations is probably just her way to lessen the pressure that she puts on herself to win.

modern_muslimah
01-29-2012, 11:01 PM
I actually think Mirai wants to win as much as anyone else. It's just that she fears failure more than other people do, so she's had to develop defense mechanisms to cope. All that pre-competition talk to lower expectations is probably just her way to lessen the pressure that she puts on herself to win.

IA. I don't understand people saying "she doesn't want to win". Of course she wants to win. Who doesn't? I do think, however, she has low expectations of herself. I think the low expectations might be causing the other issues whatever they are.

The one thing I will give Ashley is that she always has high expectations of herself and it drives her to try and do better. She isn't as naturally talented as some other US ladies but she always expects to be the best. Mirai doesn't and that's a shame.

bek
01-29-2012, 11:06 PM
^very well said.

I actually think Mirai wants to win as much as anyone else. It's just that she fears failure more than other people do, so she's had to develop defense mechanisms to cope. All that pre-competition talk to lower expectations is probably just her way to lessen the pressure that she puts on herself to win.

I disagree here. Of course Nagasu wants to win, but a will to win is shown by actions. Its shown by giving everything to a program/performance/not giving up. Its also shown digging in and putting the hard work in training. She may want it, but does she want it as much as Michelle did-No.

smarts1
01-29-2012, 11:18 PM
So it pretty much comes down to this... Mirai needs to fix something in her mind (although there is no consensus), so she should go work with sports psychologist.

Sasha'sSpins
01-30-2012, 01:44 AM
Nobody doubts that Mirai is more than talented enough to be a major champion in this sport. I think what people question is if Mirai wants it bad enough to put in the hard work necessary.... For me Frank's words last year about Nagasu having motivation issues because of her "great Olympic season" were really telling IMO.

Mirai finished fourth at the Olympics; and while it was a great showing. One would think that showing would also make her a bit angry/hungry. I.e I was that close; I'm going to work that much harder so that I win that World title next year. Instead the next year; we have her coach saying she was hard to motivate. If just missing an Olympic medal doesn't motivate you, what will? I hoped last year was a wakeup call but well it wasn't.

I think that's the issue people have with Mirai. I don't think people had similar motivation questions about the other girls you mentioned. I don't recall ever seeing Kostner or Alissa even at their most disasterous skates; phoning in performances.

And as for Mirai's just in a slump. It seems to me most of Mirai's senior career has been a slump. She's been eligible for four world teams, and has only made one. And that was after winning the National title as an age ineligible skater.

She should have made two World teams imo. I'll always believe she should have gone to Worlds over Flatt. And I still have faith in Mirai-IF she wants it, and that's a big if I still say she can turn it around. Sochi is 2 years away and it's not over til it's over.

Sasha'sSpins
01-30-2012, 01:52 AM
I don't think she has the work ethic and never has. She's always stated she'd rather go to the beach than train. She's got by on talent, but that isn't enough if you want to be a competitive skater. Zhang and Wagner are too good examples of skater who do have that ethic. Zhang has worked has butt off to get where she is and I think the results of this competition will make her work all the harder. Alisa and Carolina have gone through some rough patches, but they've persevered because they trained harder when things weren't working. Their competitive careers are going to end on a high note. I've always had the impression Mirai liked being a champion but she didn't want to work for it. You can fix skating problems if the skater is willing to do the work. Mirai doesn't know how to fight. No coach can give her that. It has to be something inside the individual that pushes them to succeed.

Again-I disagree. Paul Wylie wasn't even considered worthy by some to be on the '92 Olympic team-remember the reporter who asked him 'what are you doing here? And for once in his career he shown-and at the most important time. It happened for Mirai at her Olympics but against very tough competition from the 3 who placed above her. It could happen for her again and perhaps next time she'll win.

The beach thing again-most athletes I am sure would rather go to the beach than train. I don't think Mirai was sitting around at the beach. She was ROCKING the practices per reports. As I said to the other poster there is still time for Mirai to turn this around-if she wants to. I'm not giving up on her. If she doesn't make the Sochi team and still wants to skate I'm going to be there rooting her on. If she decides at some point that skating isn't for her I will be sad but I will support her decision.

Sasha'sSpins
01-30-2012, 01:59 AM
Mirai has 2 choices IMO-

1. Quit. See ya. I'm more interested in living a 'normal' life. Go to college. Decide on a career. Maybe come back to skating as an official or something when she's older.

If she wants to continue skating -

2. See a therapist (if she isn't already) to work out her relationship with her parents / family (I think she's alluded to the fact that she feels a lot of 'demand' from them) her self-esteem (I don't deserve things in life and I'm not pretty) Scott during the broadcast said someone in the audience yelled out her name during the LP and she turned to look. It sounds like she is abnormally distracted.

3. Leave FC - Logistically, the drive is too long and psychologically, the relationship is stale. It also looks like from their body language that they only annoy and frustrate each other. I remember the stories a couple of years ago about how tough he was with her, but I'll bet she's developed a coping mechanism of 'passive resistance' to him because she might resent it after so long. That is ruining her skating career faster than anything else. On a lesser note, I think she might feel now as an adult that she's entitled to more input in her programs and FC is ironclad in his training system. FC is probably beyond frustrated that he has the biggest talent in the world, but can't make it happen.

I would recommend going to someone like RA who is 1) much closer, 2) trains at a rink at altitude, and 3) has a rep as a good jump coach. RA already has experience training Mao, whose body type and jump technique was similar to Mirai's

I don't have the answers, just my $.02

^^^
THIS!

I love Frank but more and more I am starting to feel that maybe he's taken Mirai as far as he can. Charlene Wong took Mirai as far as she could. Athletes have been known to change coaches until they find the right fit-as has happened for Ashley Wagner. If Mirai still wants it-first she's got to grow up and take control of her life and her training schedule. I completely agree that she needs to work with a sports psychologist. And I think RA would work great for Mirai-and hopefully find a choreographer that can bring out Mirai's sparkle again. Her PCS scores have been on a downward spiral only she and Frank can't seem to understand why. I agree with the poster who said in another thread that Mirai is not Michelle Kwan but sometimes Frank seems to think so. She can not pull off choreo like "Spartacus". And the music is all wrong for her.