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euterpe
02-14-2012, 10:50 PM
I don't see Mirai faring any better against the Japanese girls anyway. Even if her parents were willing to let her go to Japan, there wouldn't be any gain for Mirai in skating there.

berthesghost
02-14-2012, 10:55 PM
CLARIFICATION: I didn't say it WAS bullying. I said it REMINDS me of such tactics.:lol: That's not a clarification, but a repetition. HOW does it remind you of bullying tactics?

She said something thoughtless and rude. They kinda overreacted in their defense of the other skaters. Where does "bullying" come in? I'm just curious because the use of term just seemed out of left field to me.

RD
02-14-2012, 10:59 PM
At her best she can win the US championship quite convincingly.

We all know that a revitalized Nagasu can give basically the entire US field a run for their money. The only exception was perhaps a top-of-her-game Czisny, but that basically never happens. If/when she pulls herself together and gets back to 2010 National/Olympic form, no doubt in my mind she'll go right back to the top. Although she might need a 3-3 in the future...

Spartacus
02-14-2012, 11:01 PM
Has this article on Michelle been discuss? I know this is a Mirai thread, but...well... :D
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-27/sports/chi-kwan-on-kwan-i-can-still-feel-butterflies-i-had-in-skating-20120127_1_kwan-three-times-worlds-and-third-irina-slutskaya

Sylvia
02-14-2012, 11:06 PM
Has this article on Michelle been discuss? I know this is a Mirai thread, but...well... :D
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-27/sports/chi-kwan-on-kwan-i-can-still-feel-butterflies-i-had-in-skating-20120127_1_kwan-three-times-worlds-and-third-irina-slutskaya
The Kwan article(s) are posted in this thread in the Trash Can (post #50): USFS Hall of Fame 2012-The Kween! (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=81626&page=3)

Back on topic... Ashley Wagner and Caroline Zhang have shown this season that results and competitive performances can be improved if the work is put in and the desire/proper attitude comes from within. Only Mirai can decide if she wants to motivate herself enough to continue skating competitively and at what level. Nothing that's posted online -- here on FSU, Twitter or other skating forums -- matters, really. We fans like to entertain ourselves here on FSU but for skaters, their skating is a serious business and needs to be taken seriously by them if they are to succeed.

RD
02-14-2012, 11:06 PM
Where does "bullying" come in? I'm just curious because the use of term just seemed out of left field to me.

The language/tone of several of the responses was obviously to provoke a strong reaction out of her. They could have easily said something like "you, know, that's not very nice" but that would not have been strong enough for them, I guess.

os168
02-14-2012, 11:10 PM
Uhh the thought of Mirai twitter in her 'broken Japanese' *shudders* under even more scrutiny of watchful eyes and highly sensationalized and unforgiving japanese media/culture regarding to any public faux pas. Nooo thanks.... we need to save her from herself.

For the record, I think Mirai is better than Kanako, Imai, Risa, Miki and Akiko (and I love Akiko).

Spartacus
02-14-2012, 11:18 PM
The Kwan article(s) are posted in this thread in the Trash Can (post #50): USFS Hall of Fame 2012-The Kween! (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=81626&page=3)
Why thank you.

And I apologize to all for the slight derailment of this thread.:D

modern_muslimah
02-14-2012, 11:26 PM
Do people SERIOUSLY think Nagasu would have an easier time in the Japanese field?? :confused:

^This.

If Mirai skated the way she did at US Nationals at Japanese Nationals, she'd have similar results. Anyway, I hope Mirai gets back to her 2010 form. She has all the natural talent but she needs to buckle down and make some hard decisions (going with Frank without mom or staying in LA, etc). I know it's not easy but she'll eventually have to do it.

Vagabond
02-14-2012, 11:29 PM
I think ideas about skating for Japan are from frustrated fans of Mirai who are looking for any kind of change that could potentially help her and bring back the personality and superb skating she was bringing to the ice a couple of years ago. But I agree that the idea of Mirai skating for Japan is unrealistic and unnecessary. Mirai could probably be the top US lady if she really committed to it.

Mirai could probably be the top female skater in the World if she really committed to it.

Nevertheless, the suggestion that someone of her caliber should go skate for her parents' native land is one that seems to be applied solely to skaters of Asian ancestry. No one ever suggested that Sasha Cohen,for example, needed to make was to skate for Ukraine or Russia or even Israel. And yet, if a highly talented Asian-American skater is struggling (like Mirai Nagasu, but also Caroline Zhang a season or two ago) or simply faces steep domestic competition (like the Shibutanis a couple of seasons ago), people think it appropriate to suggest that the skater dump everything, sit out for two seasons (which, here, would include the next Olympics!), and skate for another country. Why is that, if it isn't some twisted racialist thinking?

Nagasu is, in purely domestic terms, the most successful Asian-American singles skater since Michelle Kwan. It's silly to suggest that throwing it all away in order to skate for another country is an appropriate response to her problems.

Sparks
02-14-2012, 11:35 PM
YES! Sasha could skate for Ukraine and win more National titles!!!

feraina
02-14-2012, 11:36 PM
Why is that, if it isn't some twisted racialist thinking?

I think it depends on how publicly the skater displays their attachment to another country. Mirai gets Japanese interviews on Japanese television, and performs in Japanese shows; and she has dual citizenship I don't remember Sasha doing that with any of Ukraine/Russia/Israel. Does Sasha have dual citizenship?

OTOH, Johnny Weir certainly has (been) talked about competing for Russia.

IceAlisa
02-14-2012, 11:42 PM
No, Sasha Cohen does not have dual citizenship. Unlike Japan, the Soviet Ukraine stripped citizenship from its emigrants, so her mother is also only a US citizen. Your loss, Ukraine. :P

Nomad
02-14-2012, 11:47 PM
Mirai could probably be the top female skater in the World if she really committed to it.

Nevertheless, the suggestion that someone of her caliber should go skate for her parents' native land is one that seems to be applied solely to skaters of Asian ancestry. No one ever suggested that Sasha Cohen,for example, needed to make was to skate for Ukraine or Russia or even Israel. And yet, if a highly talented Asian-American skater is struggling (like Mirai Nagasu, but also Caroline Zhang a season or two ago) or simply faces steep domestic competition (like the Shibutanis a couple of seasons ago), people think it appropriate to suggest that the skater dump everything, sit out for two seasons (which, here, would include the next Olympics!), and skate for another country. Why is that, if it isn't some twisted racialist thinking?

Nagasu is, in purely domestic terms, the most successful Asian-American singles skater since Michelle Kwan. It's silly to suggest that throwing it all away in order to skate for another country is an appropriate response to her problems.

I don't think people are being racist. They're just not really thinking it through. I'm sure if Iran or Saudi Arabia had skating feds, people would be suggesting that Armin Mahbanoozadeh and Yasmin Siraj represent those countries. And there have been a few people who've suggested that Agnes Zawadzki represent Poland.

UGG
02-14-2012, 11:54 PM
How many times did people suggest Emily Hughes should go skate for Canada? I think...like...everyone on this board.