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love_skate2011
01-29-2012, 08:02 AM
I too think its time for Mirai to move on from Frank C.
and find some sort of new motivation that she has been missing for so many seasons now. :(

iarispiralllyof
01-29-2012, 08:03 AM
But Mirai always says he's the best coach ever and she wants to stay with him forever..

Is it Frank that's the problem?

Sasha'sSpins
01-29-2012, 08:07 AM
I too think its time for Mirai to move on from Frank C.
and find some sort of new motivation that she has been missing for so many seasons now. :(

I think she needs to change it up. Frank is an awesome coach but if it's not working it's not working.


As mentioned on the broadcast, something and/ or everything seems to distract Mirai. So its probably not one thing but many things that have combined to keep her unfocused. For this season, in particular, it seems to me that Frank's approach for Mirai was all wrong. I don't think either of the music selections, particularly the fp music are right for Mirai's personality. Possibly it might have helped had she been more inspired by her music and happy skating to it. Mirai is not MK, and unfortunately Frank seemed to have been trying to take that route with Mirai this season. In addition, what was it that Frank said about Mirai feeling better with her ballet teacher at the boards instead of Frank???

It's been mentioned before, but perhaps Mirai's personality is not melding with Frank's approach to coaching -- which is not a put-down of Frank. Maybe or maybe not, finding a coach who might be able to figure out the best way to get Mirai to learn how to focus could help her, if indeed, Mirai truly still has the heart for skating. But also, maybe it is hard for Mirai, and/or her family to even think about leaving a legendary coach such as Frank. Still, the approach was all wrong this season, and this year I am not unhappy that Mirai did not make the team. I do hope she digs deep to re-find the fire and the desire, and the best way to regroup. With her talent, Mirai could be a 3-time National champion by now.

And a World medallist.

Mirai is only 18 years old. Skaters like Alissa and Carolina Kostner seemed to find their mojo after 20. Carolina Zhang and Ashley too are proof that even if it's not happening year in, year out one shouldn't give up on the dream. Mirai may still find what it is that she needs to get her over that hump. I don't believe she's done yet, nor should she be done yet. She's in a slump but she can get past it with lots and lots of hard work, and perseverance.

bek
01-29-2012, 08:57 AM
I think she needs to change it up. Frank is an awesome coach but if it's not working it's not working.



And a World medallist.

Mirai is only 18 years old. Skaters like Alissa and Carolina Kostner seemed to find their mojo after 20. Carolina Zhang and Ashley too are proof that even if it's not happening year in, year out one shouldn't give up on the dream. Mirai may still find what it is that she needs to get her over that hump. I don't believe she's done yet, nor should she be done yet. She's in a slump but she can get past it with lots and lots of hard work, and perseverance.

Nobody doubts that Mirai is more than talented enough to be a major champion in this sport. I think what people question is if Mirai wants it bad enough to put in the hard work necessary.... For me Frank's words last year about Nagasu having motivation issues because of her "great Olympic season" were really telling IMO.

Mirai finished fourth at the Olympics; and while it was a great showing. One would think that showing would also make her a bit angry/hungry. I.e I was that close; I'm going to work that much harder so that I win that World title next year. Instead the next year; we have her coach saying she was hard to motivate. If just missing an Olympic medal doesn't motivate you, what will? I hoped last year was a wakeup call but well it wasn't.

I think that's the issue people have with Mirai. I don't think people had similar motivation questions about the other girls you mentioned. I don't recall ever seeing Kostner or Alissa even at their most disasterous skates; phoning in performances.

And as for Mirai's just in a slump. It seems to me most of Mirai's senior career has been a slump. She's been eligible for four world teams, and has only made one. And that was after winning the National title as an age ineligible skater.

modern_muslimah
01-29-2012, 01:44 PM
I don't get the sense that motivation was the issue for Mirai this season. Frank hasn't indicated that this is the case this season. Additionally, Mirai looked fit and practice reports indicated that she was fit and focused during practice. Additionally, Mirai did summer competitions to get her programs out early. So I don't motivation is the issue.

Mirai doesn't look happy when she's skating in competition and lately, she looks scared as hell. I really think she needs a coaching change and/or a sports psychology. She has known issues with her confidence and staying the moment in competition, especially after she makes a mistake. Instead of moving on, it seems she stays stuck on the mistake and it just snowballs, causing more mistakes.

She's going to have to make a major change and also take more ownership of her skating as well. I really think that would help a lot in giving her more confidence. Maybe Mirai needs to pick her music, her programs, her choreographer. She needs to be more introspective and figure out who she is as a skater. She's 18 now, so she and only she needs to owns her skating.

If Spartacus doesn't inspire her, don't skate to it! If something upbeat inspires her, then skate to it! I don't think her coaches, choreographer or parents can do this for her.

rfisher
01-29-2012, 02:03 PM
I think she needs to change it up. Frank is an awesome coach but if it's not working it's not working.



And a World medallist.

Mirai is only 18 years old. Skaters like Alissa and Carolina Kostner seemed to find their mojo after 20. Carolina Zhang and Ashley too are proof that even if it's not happening year in, year out one shouldn't give up on the dream. Mirai may still find what it is that she needs to get her over that hump. I don't believe she's done yet, nor should she be done yet. She's in a slump but she can get past it with lots and lots of hard work, and perseverance.

I don't think she has the work ethic and never has. She's always stated she'd rather go to the beach than train. She's got by on talent, but that isn't enough if you want to be a competitive skater. Zhang and Wagner are too good examples of skater who do have that ethic. Zhang has worked has butt off to get where she is and I think the results of this competition will make her work all the harder. Alisa and Carolina have gone through some rough patches, but they've persevered because they trained harder when things weren't working. Their competitive careers are going to end on a high note. I've always had the impression Mirai liked being a champion but she didn't want to work for it. You can fix skating problems if the skater is willing to do the work. Mirai doesn't know how to fight. No coach can give her that. It has to be something inside the individual that pushes them to succeed.

olympic
01-29-2012, 02:44 PM
Mirai has 2 choices IMO-

1. Quit. See ya. I'm more interested in living a 'normal' life. Go to college. Decide on a career. Maybe come back to skating as an official or something when she's older.

If she wants to continue skating -

2. See a therapist (if she isn't already) to work out her relationship with her parents / family (I think she's alluded to the fact that she feels a lot of 'demand' from them) her self-esteem (I don't deserve things in life and I'm not pretty) Scott during the broadcast said someone in the audience yelled out her name during the LP and she turned to look. It sounds like she is abnormally distracted.

3. Leave FC - Logistically, the drive is too long and psychologically, the relationship is stale. It also looks like from their body language that they only annoy and frustrate each other. I remember the stories a couple of years ago about how tough he was with her, but I'll bet she's developed a coping mechanism of 'passive resistance' to him because she might resent it after so long. That is ruining her skating career faster than anything else. On a lesser note, I think she might feel now as an adult that she's entitled to more input in her programs and FC is ironclad in his training system. FC is probably beyond frustrated that he has the biggest talent in the world, but can't make it happen.

I would recommend going to someone like RA who is 1) much closer, 2) trains at a rink at altitude, and 3) has a rep as a good jump coach. RA already has experience training Mao, whose body type and jump technique was similar to Mirai's

I don't have the answers, just my $.02

smarts1
01-29-2012, 04:06 PM
Nobody doubts that Mirai is more than talented enough to be a major champion in this sport. I think what people question is if Mirai wants it bad enough to put in the hard work necessary.... For me Frank's words last year about Nagasu having motivation issues because of her "great Olympic season" were really telling IMO.

Mirai finished fourth at the Olympics; and while it was a great showing. One would think that showing would also make her a bit angry/hungry. I.e I was that close; I'm going to work that much harder so that I win that World title next year. Instead the next year; we have her coach saying she was hard to motivate. If just missing an Olympic medal doesn't motivate you, what will? I hoped last year was a wakeup call but well it wasn't.

I think that's the issue people have with Mirai. I don't think people had similar motivation questions about the other girls you mentioned. I don't recall ever seeing Kostner or Alissa even at their most disasterous skates; phoning in performances.

And as for Mirai's just in a slump. It seems to me most of Mirai's senior career has been a slump. She's been eligible for four world teams, and has only made one. And that was after winning the National title as an age ineligible skater.

To be fair, practice reports at Nationals said that Mirai was amazing in practice, so she had definitely trained. I think the problem (besides her coaching situation) is her head. She needs to see a sports psychologist. They have wonderful things to other headcases, and they can do the same to Mirai.

bek
01-29-2012, 04:08 PM
I don't get the sense that motivation was the issue for Mirai this season. Frank hasn't indicated that this is the case this season. Additionally, Mirai looked fit and practice reports indicated that she was fit and focused during practice. Additionally, Mirai did summer competitions to get her programs out early. So I don't motivation is the issue.

Mirai doesn't look happy when she's skating in competition and lately, she looks scared as hell. I really think she needs a coaching change and/or a sports psychology. She has known issues with her confidence and staying the moment in competition, especially after she makes a mistake. Instead of moving on, it seems she stays stuck on the mistake and it just snowballs, causing more mistakes.

She's going to have to make a major change and also take more ownership of her skating as well. I really think that would help a lot in giving her more confidence. Maybe Mirai needs to pick her music, her programs, her choreographer. She needs to be more introspective and figure out who she is as a skater. She's 18 now, so she and only she needs to owns her skating.

If Spartacus doesn't inspire her, don't skate to it! If something upbeat inspires her, then skate to it! I don't think her coaches, choreographer or parents can do this for her.

I have a hard time thinking motivation isn't an issue with Mirai-even now. Look at how annoyed the US commentators are with Mirai, and how much nicer they are towards people like Alissa (who also struggle with consistency issues)

She's certainly not skating like she wants it; she's been phoning in performances all season long.



To be fair, practice reports at Nationals said that Mirai was amazing in practice, so she had definitely trained. I think the problem (besides her coaching situation) is her head. She needs to see a sports pyschologist. They have wonderful things to other headcases, and they can do the same to Mirai.


Practices don't always mean everything though. Mirai is an incredible talent who probably can practice well. Its when the pressure is on that the work really shows. Maybe the issue here wasn't lack of training but I think its clear something is wrong. And I have a hard time thinking that Frank (and I believe Lori) would be as annoyed looking with Mirai as they look if Mirai was doing what they were asking her to do.

My thing is for Mirai herself to say that she needs Evan to help motivate her is just a bit much for me. Sure a good training partner can definetely help; but big time champions are motivated internally.

Cheylana
01-29-2012, 05:32 PM
My thing is for Mirai herself to say that she needs Evan to help motivate her is just a bit much for me. Sure a good training partner can definetely help; but big time champions are motivated internally.
Yes, I was very troubled when Mirai said that.

bek
01-29-2012, 05:45 PM
Yes, I was very troubled when Mirai said that.

The thing is that I think Mirai is very talented and I'm not sure I blame her if she's "not all in skating" I don't know if I could be that dedicated about something.

But I'm just a little annoyed with the making excuses for Mirai; because I think the last thing Nagasu needs is people making excuses for her.

Vagabond
01-29-2012, 06:12 PM
Nagasu reminds me a bit of Alissa Czisny at the same age. If Czisny managed to toughen herself up, the irrepressible, exasperating Mirai Nagasu can do it too. She's got all the technical and presentation skills she needs to be a champion.

I wonder what Nagasu is planning to do in the fall. She has reportedly been admitted to U.C. Irvine, which is just as far from Cathedral City and Lake Arrowhead as Arcadia is. Is she going to defer admission for a year? Go part time? (Can she do that?) Find a new coach?

There is a rink in Mission Viejo and a pretty good coach there named John Nicks. :shuffle:

Can you imagine the :drama: if Wagner and Nagasu shared a rink, let alone a coach?

Coco
01-29-2012, 06:17 PM
Honestly, Mirai hasn't been Mirai since she choked in the LP at 2010 worlds.

I like her as a person, from what we know about her, and I just want her to be happy and reach her full potential as a person. Maybe skating isn't for her.

berthesghost
01-29-2012, 06:17 PM
Csizny and Zhang had major jump issues they had to chuck out and relearn, as well as move up from "b list" coaches.

Mirai has the entire world at her feet and just chooses to chuck it all away, and that's why people are starting to write her off.

Mirai4life
01-29-2012, 07:56 PM
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