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Wyliefan
01-30-2012, 04:51 AM
I'm sorry but I actually find the 'between the two of us' quote quite funny. I don't know how he phrased it, if he meant it in a questioning/are you serious? tone but I think it's actually kinda cute, but I agree Meryl's ready and willing and Charlie is a bit indifferent at times, he just seems a bit uncomfortable. He's probably seen the maniac V&M shippers and wants to avoid it like the plague:lol:

I don't think "indifferent" is quite the right word; "uncomfortable" with eye contact may be closer to it. I think he expresses his connection in different ways. He presents her nicely and that sort of thing, but the "gazing into someone's eyes" thing just doesn't seem to fit his personality.

In fact, it strikes me that if Charlie and Meryl gazed into each other's eyes for too long, one or both would start cracking up. :) It's just who they are and how they relate.

Golightly
01-30-2012, 04:55 AM
Really? But how can we know that without being at their practices, or do you know something :sekret: ?

No, I don't know anything, it's just a guess. Whenever V-M talk about their coaches, they single out Zueva.

shan
01-30-2012, 04:57 AM
No, I don't know anything, it's just a guess. Whenever V-M talk about their coaches, they single out Zueva.

Bummer, it's always great to hear :sekret:

I think they really connect with Marina.

marbri
01-30-2012, 04:59 AM
Even in those fun interviews from the Orange Team at this past TEB when a question was picked about their coach they both immediately thought of Marina and answered the question with her in mind.

aka_gerbil
01-30-2012, 05:49 AM
Who was with them for the FD?
A representative from their Fed was with them in the kiss and cry.


I'd rather put the money towards making sure Scott doesn't wear that snakeskin shirt anymore ;) Back in black with a white square on the back with the #80 and put her in something glittery and sexy.

They could have gone out there and maxed out with 81 points, and I STILL would want that snakeskin shirt gone. I want Scott back in the all black outfit. It shows off the movements so much better.

Macassar88
01-30-2012, 05:59 AM
Who was with them for the FD?




I'd rather put the money towards making sure Scott doesn't wear that snakeskin shirt anymore ;) Back in black with a white square on the back with the #80 and put her in something glittery and sexy.

Scott looks good in anything - even the snakeskin shirt.

pani
01-30-2012, 01:29 PM
On NBCs broadcast at the end of the dance event they were showing D&W backstage with Marina gesturing that they need more eye contact and Charlie says "between the two of us". I'm sure it's something that Marina is always working on with them because it doesn't come naturally. I've often had the impression that Charlie is indifferent to Meryl.

Its funny - did you see W-P copied Tessa-Scott eye contant all the time even off-ice? And Berton-Hotareck, and even P-B, who used some FF moves in there exibition at ECh. Sorry but this made me :lol:
You need to find something speciall for your team, but not coping what other team doing.
Before Z-Sh did programs, where D-W look different compare V-M, but now all must look at each other like V-M doing, even brotehr and sister. Sorry, but maybe V- need go now in new direction? Thats why i like Gillis-Porie at Nationals - they show there own style.

Golightly
01-30-2012, 04:04 PM
If by having their own style you mean skating tricks out there instead of, you know, dancing then I agree. Gilles and Poirier sure have their own... style. I can understand why you want a new choreographer, what I cannot understand is why you want them to be like this and that team, Pani.

Let's talk about this new choreographer thing because it's what everyone keeps suggesting. So they move to choreographer X, what next? Remember these people have a life beyond that skating rink. Tessa has school, not to mention her doctors, physio, etc. they're both skating very close to home. Some here have even suggested they move to Europe! This is a decision that goes beyond what happens on the ice, beyond choreography and training. There's a rhythm they are used to by now and whether we like it or not, Tessa's condition does play a big part in this.

So yeah, it's easy to say "they should go to choreographer A or B or C", but can they? Chronic injuries are severe. I don't care how they keep saying she's healthy, there's always something you need to do to make sure the injury doesn't get worse. Nadal and his knees come to mind, for instance. He is a monster, but those knees will always be a problem for him. Like him, VM have a whole training system carefully planned out to insure that Tessa's legs don't suffer too much. A coach needs to understand that injury, he needs be in touch with her doctors, they need to know first hand what's going on so that they can coach them, an injury limits you greatly. Building that system takes time. Moving means re-adjusting all that and it is not easy. With two years to go, is there enough time?

I am not defending Zueva. In fact, I think many of your complaints are justified. On one hand, Canton is too crowded: you have your Olympic champions there, then you have your World champions, then your World bronze medalists (yeah, how? I don't know) and the a lot of other people that might, someday, get really good. On the other hand, Tessa and Scott seem like very independent, resourceful skaters; so maybe, because of this, their coaches make the mistake of giving them too much license instead of stepping in and, you know, COACH THEM. I wish they had coaches just for themselves, I do. A team as insanely talented as Virtue and Moir need someone that's there just for them. I have no doubt that Marina used to be that person, which is why so many people in the US complained and complained about her. But now, with Shpilband crowding Canton, both him and Zueva need to make time for more and more teams.

In short, too many variables to consider before they decide to go with someone else. It was a long post, sorry about that.

elle123
01-30-2012, 04:13 PM
On NBCs broadcast at the end of the dance event they were showing D&W backstage with Marina gesturing that they need more eye contact and Charlie says "between the two of us". I'm sure it's something that Marina is always working on with them because it doesn't come naturally. I've often had the impression that Charlie is indifferent to Meryl.

I agree, they need to work more on their connection and does anyone else feel really uncomfortable when they go to their opening pose in the SD and Meryl does this weird face gymnastics routine?


Scott looks good in anything - even the snakeskin shirt.


Truth! haha I will admit it was quite the departure for Scott considering he likes to be more simple and let Tessa WOW us with her costumes. They both always look great, though.

sequins
01-30-2012, 04:16 PM
You gotta think with all these teams someones gonna jump ship eventually. You only have so many hours in a day and someone is bound to feel short changed, I feel like it's only a matter of time and it's coming soon. I just don't think it'll be V&M leaving for reasons Golightly mentioned and because I just feel they love Marina(and maybe Igor;)) too much and when I'm honest with myself the material she's given them over the years is pretty damn great, yes even this year too(minus the SD alterations).

pani
01-30-2012, 04:35 PM
If Zueva think she is a God she never let Tessa and Scott to have other choreo. She didnt understand, she need help, Tessa and Scott need help. They could work in Canton, but have different teams for choreo with other teams andll will be happy (and stop talking she did masterpiece for one team and nothing about other).
And when you are talking about Tessas injury - so Zueva-Shpilband all time help her, work woth her doctors, but why she had this injury? Maybe all think this is her destiny and coaches doesn't concern with this and concern only with Tessas OGM, but i think her injury have connection with her practice.
One think made me sad - SC still dont understand what is going on, didnt have specialists, who understand ice dance really good and could say what programs there first team need to have and what they will say after 4CC and then after WCh?

When you are talking about T-S independing - where did you find this information? Did you remember Orange tam interview at TEB? "Marina is going mad and said: "You think you know something, but you didnt know nothing". So this is independing.

And when i said about coping style, i mean i dont like W-P did this - they need to have there own style. And belive me, G-P will show reall skating next season and they have there style already.

Subway
01-30-2012, 04:53 PM
If Zueva think she is a God she never let Tessa and Scott to have other choreo. She didnt understand, she need help, Tessa and Scott need help. They could work in Canton, but have different teams for choreo with other teams andll will be happy (and stop talking she did masterpiece for one team and nothing about other).

If Tessa and Scott wanted other choreography they'd have it. Why do you think they're stupid? They both seem strong-minded to me, with a lot of definite opinions about how they want to skate. Blame them. Why are you putting the blame on their coaches? Is it too hard to believe they don't want to leave? Or maybe the problem is you don't want to believe they think differently than you because they're your favorites?


And when you are talking about Tessas injury - so Zueva-Shpilband all time help her, work woth her doctors, but why she had this injury? Maybe all think this is her destiny and coaches doesn't concern with this and concern only with Tessas OGM, but i think her injury have connection with her practice.

Would you explain how you know everybody is responsible for Scott and Tessa except Scott and Tessa? Tessa's dad is a lawyer and her mom seems smart. Didn't her parents look out for her? What about the Moirs? Tessa is intelligent and Scott's smart too. Where did you get the idea they were stupid? You seem pretty certain about it.

It's obvious Scott and Tessa choose their programs. If they had doubts they'd go to another coach. Marina and Igor are not Rasputin.

This looks like way too much of a selfish fan perspective. You want your favorite skaters to do what you want and you prefer to think they want the same things you do. Of course if they don't, the only reason is somebody is manipulating them. If they were left to themselves they'd do it like you think they should. That's pretty egotistical.


And when i said about coping style, i mean i dont like W-P did this - they need to have there own style. And belive me, G-P will show reall skating next season and they have there style already. G-P have your style already, not theirs. Theirs is Christopher Dean's. They could be marionettes, just like all the skaters he's choreographed for. Please be accurate. The circus theme, a lot of the lifts and moves has been Christopher Dean's style since the 1980's. That's the style and if you like it, fine, but don't call it their own style because it's not. If Scott and Tessa wanted to skate like a Christopher Dean show I bet they would. They're not weak and stupid like you pretend. It's too bad you have this low opinion of your favorite figure skaters because you don't want to think they have different ideas than yours.

pani
01-30-2012, 05:01 PM
I said this before - if for you Z-Sh is Gods and V-M are stupid skaters, who couldnt show brilliant Z-Sh - its your opinion. Look like nobody could said nothing about Z-Sh, but could said everything about V-M.

And if my favorite skaters look happy i dont care about there programs, but now T-S didnt look happy thats why i am worry about them.
And Scott reaction after GPF show for me - he only now open his eyes.

ddtpdx
01-30-2012, 05:16 PM
does anyone else feel really uncomfortable when they go to their opening pose in the SD and Meryl does this weird face gymnastics routine?

No, you're not the only one.
Not sure what she is trying to convey....sexiness???
Anyway, I seem to recall Meryl likes to open her mouth in many poses (include the bollywood OD) but you're right that this is the most pronounced I've seen the facial expressions.

VarBar
01-30-2012, 05:17 PM
And Scott reaction after GPF show for me - he only now open his eyes.

What reaction, Pani? Please open my eyes. What did Scott say or do after GPF and where should I go to see?:confused: