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ddtpdx
01-28-2012, 11:59 PM
I have no doubt that V/M can outskate D/W at Worlds.
It's just whether the judges will reward them for it.
But that is out of their control.
Let's just all think positively and wish them the best skates since there's nothing we can do about the marking anyway.

Golightly
01-29-2012, 12:00 AM
If we're to talk about recycling. That's something the judges seem to be rewarding these days, too. Not that there's any rule against it, but you would think that originality is valued in this sport. It used to be.

Shayii
01-29-2012, 12:21 AM
Sigh...things are getting chaotic around here (something I've probably added to in my moments of paranoia :shuffle:), but everybody just come down and let's just see how things will play out. TBH at this point I don't think T/S will beat D/W but I'll pray that I'm wrong. When is 4CC anyways, it can't happen soon enough.

Sliver I don't understand what this has to do with Weaver and Poje and why you insist on bringing them up regarding anything that as to do with T/S :rolleyes:.

Rafter
01-29-2012, 12:33 AM
Pani skating to a lara fabian song about being heartsick could have been a disaster melodramatic, plus Camerlengo said that at nationals but their interpretation is truly flawless they way they weave the coreography and the elements you forget that in that free dance. I just feel they are not getting the same level of support from skate canada that the Shibs are with USFSA they were lowballed twice by crone and poirier. If they don`t medal this year skate canada will start supporting gilles and poirier.

When did Camerlengo say that? In an article?

Rafter
01-29-2012, 12:33 AM
I think W-P have a lot off the same elements from last years. And you know, now all doing this. It was funny, when during P-B FD at ECh Zhulin said: "O, this is our step sequence. They didnt change single step from last year".

Who cares if the do! All the teams are doing it.

Rafter
01-29-2012, 12:36 AM
What a low score for Shibs in FD - 106.23/ Its because they didnt skate V-M FD? :lol:

Now i understand what Shpilband mean, when he talked about we give all the same things - they give them the same programs :lol:Maybe V-M didnt pay money for this choreo, thats why Marina gave it to Shibs?
Honestly, i like Shibs, but what Marina doing?

The Shibs score is basically what W/P got at Canadians. And about 7 marks higher than P/B at Euros. I think the Euros judging is probably more accurate.

ddtpdx
01-29-2012, 12:36 AM
When is 4CC anyways, it can't happen soon enough.


here is the link to four continents:
http://www.2012fourcontinents.com/?page_id=624
SD on Sat Feb 11
FD on Sun Feb 12

Golightly
01-29-2012, 12:39 AM
These are the facts. In the only instance they competed at the same event this season, Scott fell and V-M skated a sub-par SD, but won the FD. So, I ask this: why is it that you think it is impossible for V-M to defeat D-W at Worlds? I think it will be close, but I won't emphatically say that V-M are doomed for the season. I don't see things that way, but maybe that is just me.

aka_gerbil
01-29-2012, 12:42 AM
I have no doubt that V/M can outskate D/W at Worlds.
It's just whether the judges will reward them for it.
But that is out of their control.
Let's just all think positively and wish them the best skates since there's nothing we can do about the marking anyway.

Those are my feelings on the situation, exactly. Do I think Tessa and Scott can outskate D/W at 4CC and Worlds? Absolutely. Do I think they will: Absolutely. I just don't know if the medals are going to match the skating. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened in ice dance.


Who cares if the do! All the teams are doing it.

In this case, I'm more amused than anything else because of an article awhile back where P/B said that Krylova/Camerlingo (yeah, I totally just butchered the spelling) still consult with Zhulin about them over the phone.

aka_gerbil
01-29-2012, 12:43 AM
These are the facts. In the only instance they competed at the same event this season, Scott fell and V-M skated a sub-par SD, but won the FD. So, I ask this: why is it that you think it is impossible for V-M to defeat D-W at Worlds? I think it will be close, but I won't emphatically say that V-M are doomed for the season. I don't see things that way, but maybe that is just me.

I will be called crazy for this, but politics.

Shayii
01-29-2012, 12:45 AM
here is the link to four continents:
http://www.2012fourcontinents.com/?page_id=624
SD on Sat Feb 11
FD on Sun Feb 12

Thanks!

Golightly I don't think that it's impossible that T/S can beat D/W, I just think D/W have the edge and momentum right now, that's all. But like I said I hope I'm wrong.

Golightly
01-29-2012, 12:55 AM
Thanks!

Golightly I don't think that it's impossible that T/S can beat D/W, I just think D/W have the edge and momentum right now, that's all. But like I said I hope I'm wrong.

Momentum can swing. It wouldn't be the first time it does, it something that happens. I think D-W have skated that program to their full potential whereas V-M have not yet. That makes me think they could win it. Of course, I could be wrong, but who knows? They might come up with two spectacular skates that day.

sliver98
01-29-2012, 01:13 AM
What i don`t understand is why are they so damn nervous know they should just skate the orginal programs they had at the start of they year and just concentrate on getting the levels. I feel all these changes were unnecessary they had a great score in the fd at gp final. They should just polish the programs i feel this obssession about beating D&W has gone to their head just skate naturally and let the judges vote.

bbkenn
01-29-2012, 01:24 AM
These are the facts. In the only instance they competed at the same event this season, Scott fell and V-M skated a sub-par SD, but won the FD. So, I ask this: why is it that you think it is impossible for V-M to defeat D-W at Worlds? I think it will be close, but I won't emphatically say that V-M are doomed for the season. I don't see things that way, but maybe that is just me.

After seeing the D&W FD, I totally agree.

Golightly
01-29-2012, 01:24 AM
They should just polish the programs i feel this obssession about beating D&W has gone to their head just skate naturally and let the judges vote.

I agree with this. But people talk and skaters find out. That builds pressure. It's so mental, they feel at a disadvantage, not on the ice precisely but the media say that it won't be enough and people here say it won't be enough and they know that's what's being said. So, wouldn't you be nervous too?